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phrantic09 07-16-21 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22144541)
Hard to rule out and I am hanging longer on the fast rides, but I think my solo work (ahem) has also improved and I'm also feeling subjectively stronger. I don't know what it is about those 3 min max efforts, though. I just don't seem to be doing them. All of the > 3 min hills nearby have flat spots where I find it nearly impossible to maintain power.

They do the same here, there's always a flat that will get your power down. The hill I use for the 3 minute test is only 2:45 of climb before a flat then a climb again, basically have to shift to the 52-13 and hammer for the flat portion. I tried it on a longer hill a 20 minute hill effort FTP estimate and came up short of what the 3 minute test gave me.

phrantic09 07-16-21 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22144565)
You have a PM on the Giant, too? How far off are we talkin'?

I have a PM on any bike w/ Vector 3s.

We're talking a 10-20w average difference

WhyFi 07-16-21 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22144578)
I have a PM on any bike w/ Vector 3s.

We're talking a 10-20w average difference

Ah - significant, but not huge. It could be a tiny fit difference, but I wouldn't be surprised if it just came down to riding conditions. I know that I'm not as confident sending it on gravel as I am on pavement; in to and out of corners/curves are always a little more conservative. Also, circling back to gearing, standing going uphill isn't an option, either.

phrantic09 07-16-21 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22144585)
Ah - significant, but not huge. It could be a tiny fit difference, but I wouldn't be surprised if it just came down to riding conditions. I know that I'm not as confident sending it on gravel as I am on pavement; in to and out of corners/curves are always a little more conservative. Also, circling back to gearing, standing going uphill isn't an option, either.

Maybe more than that, usually my NP on the Revolt is in the 200W range where today on the R3 it was 250ish. It's not even just gravel, I ride the revolt a lot when it's wet or threatening to rain and try to push just as hard. In rollers or on the flats I just can't hold the power the same without my quads bugging me and sometimes my knees. Honestly think I need the front end a little lower and the saddle down a touch.

WhyFi 07-16-21 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22144589)
Maybe more than that, usually my NP on the Revolt is in the 200W range where today on the R3 it was 250ish. It's not even just gravel, I ride the revolt a lot when it's wet or threatening to rain and try to push just as hard. In rollers or on the flats I just can't hold the power the same without my quads bugging me and sometimes my knees. Honestly think I need the front end a little lower and the saddle down a touch.

Oh, okay. Yeah, that'll do it. My saddle-to-pedals on the Haanjo isn't quite the same as on the R3, and I am more prone to knee discomfort on the Haanjo, but I don't have a PM on the Haanjo to compare. I haven't checked the saddle setback, but I suspect that there's a difference in ST angle between the two. That said, I'd still want my front end a little higher on the gravel bike vs the roadie.

genejockey 07-16-21 02:59 PM

I saw an article that said "Vaccine resisters can’t be persuaded if they feel disrespected". So, you can't convince somebody who has taken an irrational position unless you respect that irrational position?

big john 07-16-21 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22144170)
They've started reaching WAY upstream to get some more water into Lake Powell and Lake Mead, gonna start draining Flaming Gorge

https://oilcity.news/community/2021/...ater-released/

Gotta make it so we can hose down our driveways.

genejockey 07-16-21 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22144601)
Oh, okay. Yeah, that'll do it. My saddle-to-pedals on the Haanjo isn't quite the same as on the R3, and I am more prone to knee discomfort on the Haanjo, but I don't have a PM on the Haanjo to compare. I haven't checked the saddle setback, but I suspect that there's a difference in ST angle between the two. That said, I'd still want my front end a little higher on the gravel bike vs the roadie.

I've been having a ton of fun trying to set up my 3 bikes with 170mm cranks so that they're as comfy as my bikes with 175s.

bampilot06 07-16-21 03:08 PM

what should the chain rings be torqued too. So far pedals are not the issue. Went to fighting the head set and remembered I wanted to remove the last spacer. Was in the process of that when I got called for daddy duties. The way today is going looks like I will be on The Ritchey tomorrow.

Whyfi, I have a new route kind of figured out. Plan on trying it tomorrow to see how it goes. I did a big part of it today. Most of it is back country roads where traffic is minimal. Keeps us north east for the most part. Eventually would like to take it in to west point.

MoAlpha 07-16-21 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22144623)
what should the chain rings be torqued too. So far pedals are not the issue. Went to fighting the head set and remembered I wanted to remove the last spacer. Was in the process of that when I got called for daddy duties. The way today is going looks like I will be on The Ritchey tomorrow.

Whyfi, I have a new route kind of figured out. Plan on trying it tomorrow to see how it goes. I did a big part of it today. Most of it is back country roads where traffic is minimal. Keeps us north east for the most part. Eventually would like to take it in to west point.

Not an issue. Just put a little grease or blue thread locker on them and give them a twist.

WhyFi 07-16-21 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22144621)
I've been having a ton of fun trying to set up my 3 bikes with 170mm cranks so that they're as comfy as my bikes with 175s.

I never would have thought that it would make such a difference, but I've never been able to get as comfy on 175s as I have since moving to 172.5s. Totally dumb, but there it is.

genejockey 07-16-21 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22144639)
I never would have thought that it would make such a difference, but I've never been able to get as comfy on 175s as I have since moving to 172.5s. Totally dumb, but there it is.

At first, I felt like I was 'flat footed' on the 170s - I tend to point my toes, rather than ankling. So I raised the saddles a bit, then a bit more till if felt more natural. I can spin the 170s a bit faster, but since I can spin the 175s at 105+ easily, it's not that big a deal.

big john 07-16-21 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22144277)
That's what I understood.

Might need some cataclysmic event to get the anti-vaxxers off their stupid platform. I know plenty, and their reasons just don't make sense.

Of course, nobody likes to be magnetized.

Especially with a magnet that attracts brass keys.

big john 07-16-21 03:54 PM

I went for a little ride this morning and experienced the heartbreak of chainsuck. The chain got stuck on the big ring and slammed into the chainstay causing an abrupt halt to my cadence. I had to stop and use a convenient piece of trash to dislodge it.
Let's see: New Campagnolo rings $$$$, chain $$, cassette $$ if I can even find the stuff. Just dropped $350 at the dentist yesterday and $300 there last month. Teeth, amiright?
Maybe I should get a job?

Velo Vol 07-16-21 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22144683)
Maybe I should get a job?

Maybe.

ls01 07-16-21 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22143821)
Need some advice.

The clicking noise that I experienced with the C2 on hills (low cadence high torque) has developed into a constant knocking noise at all times. Reminds me of an engine with a bent piston rod.
I had to get out of the saddle today to charge up a tiny mountain and for the rest of the ride the knocking got worse.

I stopped multiple times to make sure nothing felt loose (crank arm, seat, pedals, rear wheel, bars etc…..)
Everything felt tight with two exceptions. I am running the old pedals and they have more play than my new pedals. Have always been this way though. And my headset developed a tiny amount of play during the ride.

My plan is to re torque everything down, and swap pedals but if that doesn’t solve the noise any recommendations?

Thanks.

Fix the headset, that's most likely the source of the noise.

big john 07-16-21 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22144695)
Maybe.

I thought about it. Nah.

LesterOfPuppets 07-16-21 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22144720)
I thought about it. Nah.

You didn't have to mull that over for very long.

Velo Vol 07-16-21 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22144732)
You didn't have to mull that over for very long.

I think he should ponder such a big decision for at least a weekend.

big john 07-16-21 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22144732)
You didn't have to mull that over for very long.

50 years of work is enough. Unless I get desperate, I'm done with it.

bampilot06 07-16-21 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 22144712)
Fix the headset, that's most likely the source of the noise.


Removed the last spacer and torqued it down. In the 5 mins it took me to do this I got drenched in sweat so I will test ride it later.

As of now there is no play. If play develops after the test ride then I will repack it with grease. I have not done that since I bought the bike.


Side note, If I like the position of the stem, where do I go to get rid of my bikes massive erec*****, I mean spacer stack.

ls01 07-16-21 04:42 PM

It has been raining all frigging day here again. I did a zwift ride before the Urologist appointment today. 2.3 . Gotta have another scan of my kidneys and a follow up. So much for my out of pocket being reasonable.

WhyFi 07-16-21 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22144752)
Side note, If I like the position of the stem, where do I go to get rid of my bikes massive erec*****, I mean spacer stack.

A sharp, fine-toothed saw will take care of it nicely - the inexpensive Japanese-style pull saws at Home Depot/Lowes are perfect. Some kind of jig to cut it straight and square helps a lot, too.

LesterOfPuppets 07-16-21 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22144752)
Side note, If I like the position of the stem, where do I go to get rid of my bikes massive erec*****, I mean spacer stack.

Harbor Freight

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e62eb966e7.jpg


For crabon steerers, we would use the gritty blade, And wear a mask!

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/...AC_SL1500_.jpg

ls01 07-16-21 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22144752)
Removed the last spacer and torqued it down. In the 5 mins it took me to do this I got drenched in sweat so I will test ride it later.

As of now there is no play. If play develops after the test ride then I will repack it with grease. I have not done that since I bought the bike.


Side note, If I like the position of the stem, where do I go to get rid of my bikes massive erec*****, I mean spacer stack.

Editted) (you really should shove some grease in there) You get to cut the steerer tube. Or, safer yet, let a shop do it. It needs to be cut , depending on your expander, about 1/8 of an inch below the top of the stem to give room to tighten the play out of the system. It's sweaty, shaky, dizzying work. I measured about 5 times and have even taken pictures of the tape measure. So I know I'm correct when I start cutting. I have an old mntn bike stem I use as a guide. I hate doing it. It stresses me out.

LesterOfPuppets 07-16-21 04:59 PM

Programming note: Pirates vs. Mets is about to commence!

ls01 07-16-21 05:01 PM

Also, just a safety p.s.a.
Be very careful tightening stems that are on unsupported steertubes. I have a very expensive wallhanger/lesson about that around here somewhere. Spacers and caps on top of the stem. Trying to dial the fit. Got a little to rambunctious with the Allen wrench. "Snick!" ...... (much blue language in this space!) 1 ride, $250.00, ...... No bueno..... cracked the steer tube. The expander supports the tube from inside and adds a lot of compression resistance. So be careful.

datlas 07-16-21 05:02 PM

Went for a post-work swim. Daughter #1 lives in an apartment complex that has a pool. It was very refreshing.

LesterOfPuppets 07-16-21 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22144793)
Went for a post-work swim. Daughter #1 lives in an apartment complex that has a pool. It was very refreshing.

I scrubbed one wall of the pool in the heat and humidity after mowing the back lawn in the heat and humidity. It was decidedly unrefreshing.

Velo Vol 07-16-21 05:10 PM

I've never used a saw for cycling activities.


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