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paulb_in_bkln 05-05-18 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20322366)
I've been using these MKS Sylvan touring pedals. Very pleased with them.
MKS Sylvan

Am I remembering rightly that where the Sylvans now use rivets to hold the pedal cages they used to have screws?

paulb_in_bkln 05-05-18 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20318316)
Just five bikes from the Wright Bros shop remain, which is ridiculous.

The more I think about this the more inexplicable it seems. The Wrights built and sold maybe 300 bikes in the late 1890s and in 1903 they became two of the most celebrated men on the planet. Yet people looked at a bicycle out of the Wright's shop and thought, "Oh that old piece of junk. Who'd ever be interested in that?" Doesn't make sense.

BigChief 05-05-18 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20323498)
Am I remembering rightly that where the Sylvans now use rivets to hold the pedal cages they used to have screws?

The 2 pairs I have here are riveted. You can service the bearings. The joint at the inside bearing is very close and well fit. Dirt doesn't get in and the front has a threaded on cover. Very well made pedals.

Kilroy1988 05-05-18 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20323468)
Go to craigslist and do a saved search for Raleigh Tourist
If one pops up you'll get a notification
Tip:
Also search for Raliegh Tourist as people often
mis-spell Raleigh.
I found a very nice Superbe that way....

Thanks for the tips, gster! And once I find something I'll certainly get back and share it here. Cheers!

-Gregory

paulb_in_bkln 05-05-18 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20323531)
The 2 pairs I have here are riveted. You can service the bearings. The joint at the inside bearing is very close and well fit. Dirt doesn't get in and the front has a threaded on cover. Very well made pedals.

The question I'm really dying to ask: Do you own the special wrench for the dust caps?

paulb_in_bkln 05-05-18 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20323466)
Could be a nice project for someone other than me...

Things are stacking up a little on this end, too.

BigChief 05-05-18 06:56 PM

Finally came across an image of what I believe is a pair original early 50s handlebar grips used on Raleigh, in this case Rudge bikes. This is from an eBay ad for a very nice maroon short frame pre 55 gents Rudge. Boy, these are rare.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c608f95ce6.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f2e634513.jpg
ebay rudge

SirMike1983 05-05-18 08:04 PM

I like the MKS Sylvan for my Raleigh Grand Prix (1973). For 3-speeds, MKS is still making a traditional block pedal without reflectors - the 3000S.

https://www.sella-berolinum.de/media...0s_720x600.jpg

I ordered two pairs from a seller last year because they offered a sale on the pedals that made up for the cost of shipping. It ended up being a good deal - the MKS 3000S pedals are much like the old 1950s-60s era pedals. The quality is good and they can be rebuilt (traditional end nuts, not rivets).

pass the peas 05-05-18 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 20323125)
This has to be a relatively frequently asked question but I just don't get the search system here on bike forums . Can anyone recommend a rear rack for a Tourist that would be both practical and a good match for the appearance? It's a 1980 so I'm not trying to go over board on recreating classic.

Thanks

A Pletscher or Wald rack would work aesthetically and both are inexpensive.

desconhecido 05-05-18 09:04 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f59c8aaa01.jpg

Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20323586)
The question I'm really dying to ask: Do you own the special wrench for the dust caps?

Niagara sells them for $3.11, plus Niagara shipping. If you don't have one of those, you can use a Campagnolo tool #710 .

MKS makes some nice pedals. In addition to the touring pedals they make a shorter version whch they call "track". Appear to be exactly like the touring, but shorter. Too narrow, but I have a pair on my 56 Sports fake club bicycle.

Their road pedals are pretty ok copies of the old Campagnolo NR and SL pedals. They offer them with black cages like the SL and a pearly sort of satin finish which mimic the NR pedals. But, of course, they are no real match to the originals.

Above is a photo of an MKS road pedal NR copy with a #710 which was bought in, I believe, 1986. Getting the pic in the proper place isn't as easy for me as it used to be. Have to work on that.

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 20324523)
Niagara sells them for $3.11, plus Niagara shipping. If you don't have one of those, you can use a Campagnolo tool #710 .

MKS makes some nice pedals. In addition to the touring pedals they make a shorter version whch they call "track". Appear to be exactly like the touring, but shorter. Too narrow, but I have a pair on my 56 Sports fake club bicycle.

Their road pedals are pretty ok copies of the old Campagnolo NR and SL pedals. They offer them with black cages like the SL and a pearly sort of satin finish which mimic the NR pedals. But, of course, they are no real match to the originals.

Above is a photo of an MKS road pedal NR copy with a #710 which was bought in, I believe, 1986. Getting the pic in the proper place isn't as easy for me as it used to be. Have to work on that.

If I go for another set of Sylvans I'll get the wrench. Just looked at Mikashima Industrial Co., Ltd.'s website. It's a pretty amazing selection of pedals, just in the Sylvan line--15 including the Ezy (quick on/off) versions, not counting different colors. I have a set of the Ezy pedals on a foldcycle, they have screws holding the cages, that's what I was thinking of in that earlier post. I take it by "getting the pic in the proper place" you mean down low with pedals on the bike? Amen to that.

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20324448)
I like the MKS Sylvan for my Raleigh Grand Prix (1973). For 3-speeds, MKS is still making a traditional block pedal without reflectors - the 3000S.

https://www.sella-berolinum.de/media...0s_720x600.jpg

I ordered two pairs from a seller last year because they offered a sale on the pedals that made up for the cost of shipping. It ended up being a good deal - the MKS 3000S pedals are much like the old 1950s-60s era pedals. The quality is good and they can be rebuilt (traditional end nuts, not rivets).

Indispensable. Still a lot of folks riding at the beach barefoot or with flipflops.

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20324349)
Finally came across an image of what I believe is a pair original early 50s handlebar grips used on Raleigh, in this case Rudge bikes. This is from an eBay ad for a very nice maroon short frame pre 55 gents Rudge. Boy, these are rare.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c608f95ce6.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f2e634513.jpg
ebay rudge

Amazing old bike. The grips look like hard rubber, not the plastic used now. I had a pair somewhat like these on a bike during the 60s, but a soft black rubber, not very durable. Now I remember, my hands would come away covered with black stuff.

gster 05-06-18 10:37 AM

Eastman Roadster Update:
Awhile back I found a very nice Eastman leather saddle, the problem was finding a 3 rail saddle clamp...
Brooks has one at 19 pounds ($60.00 by the time it reached me) .
I managed to adapt a "flat" clamp that seems to work.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d31ef039c.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39228d12dc.jpg
I just need to find some appropriate black grips and we'll call this one finished.
It's only been about 10 years...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...924039730e.jpg
I put this one together after seeing a Pashley Path Racer on display but couldn't afford the price.
Also has the MKS 3000 pedals.

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 10:40 AM

After months haphazard searching I've finally found a bike quote I remembered by the writer/traveler Eric Newby. From Round Ireland in Low Gear, 1987: "Ever since the 1890s, when for a time it was fashionable, though never as a competitive sport, cycling had been and still is hopelessly déclassé. Even today the only socially acceptable bike for a member of the British upper crust is one that looks as if it has been retrieved from a municipal rubbish dump, and probably has."

BigChief 05-06-18 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20324912)
Amazing old bike. The grips look like hard rubber, not the plastic used now. I had a pair somewhat like these on a bike during the 60s, but a soft black rubber, not very durable. Now I remember, my hands would come away covered with black stuff.

I wonder what they were made of. Very few seem to have survived. Most of the time I see 50s 3 speeds with the American black Hunt Wilde grips. Back in the 60s, those were by far the most common aftermarket grips you would find at bike shops so I guess the originals broke down rather quickly and got replaced. Now that I have a better image and know what they look like, I'll keep my eyes open for anything that looks as close as possible for my Rudge project. Long term search it looks like.

BigChief 05-06-18 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20325190)
After months haphazard searching I've finally found a bike quote I remembered by the writer/traveler Eric Newby. From Round Ireland in Low Gear, 1987: "Ever since the 1890s, when for a time it was fashionable, though never as a competitive sport, cycling had been and still is hopelessly déclassé. Even today the only socially acceptable bike for a member of the British upper crust is one that looks as if it has been retrieved from a municipal rubbish dump, and probably has."

I resemble that remark!

dweenk 05-06-18 02:26 PM

Step through Raleigh in Dover, DE
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab6aba6f2a.jpg
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/...569021063.html

Good looking bike, but the original saddle is missing. It appears to have self-adjusting brakes; were they available in 1967?

3speedslow 05-06-18 04:24 PM

No self adjusting in 67, started in 73 i believe


arty dave 05-06-18 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20325185)
Eastman Roadster Update:
Awhile back I found a very nice Eastman leather saddle, the problem was finding a 3 rail saddle clamp...
Brooks has one at 19 pounds ($60.00 by the time it reached me) .
I managed to adapt a "flat" clamp that seems to work.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d31ef039c.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39228d12dc.jpg
I just need to find some appropriate black grips and we'll call this one finished.
It's only been about 10 years...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...924039730e.jpg
I put this one together after seeing a Pashley Path Racer on display but couldn't afford the price.
Also has the MKS 3000 pedals.

Cool! Nice job on the saddle, that frame looks great - is it a B33 frame? This would be a bike I'd happily ride...same slack angles as the DL-1, and that spacing between the 2 top bars is just right in the aesthetics department. Definitely a keeper!
Gster this is a 22" frame right? What is the top top tube length? I have a lead on a very similar Indian made bike.

gster 05-06-18 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20325653)
Cool! Nice job on the saddle, that frame looks great - is it a B33 frame? This would be a bike I'd happily ride...same slack angles as the DL-1, and that spacing between the 2 top bars is just right in the aesthetics department. Definitely a keeper!

Thanks.
It's an Indian saddle, a copy of the B33 .
There's a junk shop on Queen Street here in Toronto and the
owner keeps an eye out for old bike stuff for me. Saddles, pumps etc.
The bike looks great but the ride is a little awkward.
The front end tends to "wander" a bit.
More show than go.

gster 05-06-18 06:07 PM

How about this?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de5f963a53.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 05-06-18 08:45 PM

Shurly East LA. They are art work but can be to difficult to ride & low comfort. I can appreciate all that workmanship though.

johnnyspaghetti 05-06-18 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20325464)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab6aba6f2a.jpg
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/...569021063.html

Good looking bike, but the original saddle is missing. It appears to have self-adjusting brakes; were they available in 1967?

I think brake ajusters came out in 1975-76. That crank is pre 1974

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 10:24 PM

As it's five years and time to repack the Nexus hub on one of my bikes I watched some videos and the recommended thin white grease by Shimano seemed familiar. I just thought of it. Long ago when I rebuilt a Chevy engine I used a thin white grease on all the moving surfaces so there'd be lubrication while oil pressure built up for the first time when the engine started. The grease would wash away and dissolve in the warm engine oil. The Shimano lube sure looks like it. Lubriplate has something called 105. I wonder if it's basically the same stuff?

Kilroy1988 05-06-18 10:27 PM

@gster - however that bike rides, the aesthetics are very pleasing and you did a good job of it! I imagine the wandering front end is a symptom of the lacking stem reach and the slack fork angle. I experience similar issues on my 1951 New Hudson with old-fashioned geometry.

agmetal 05-06-18 10:59 PM

Looks like not enough rake for a head angle like that

BigChief 05-07-18 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20326205)
Looks like not enough rake for a head angle like that

I was thinking that too. The frame looks the same as a DL-1 but the fork has much less rake.

BigChief 05-07-18 06:20 AM

Here's an early 50s Rudge scorcher project posted over at CC. Very nice job.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...feb15f3e0b.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 05-07-18 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20325185)
Eastman Roadster Update:
Awhile back I found a very nice Eastman leather saddle, the problem was finding a 3 rail saddle clamp...
Brooks has one at 19 pounds ($60.00 by the time it reached me) .
I managed to adapt a "flat" clamp that seems to work.
I just need to find some appropriate black grips and we'll call this one finished.
It's only been about 10 years...
I put this one together after seeing a Pashley Path Racer on display but couldn't afford the price.
Also has the MKS 3000 pedals.

I found an old web page from a Wisconsin company that once imported these bikes. It's full of somewhat funny caveats about them ("Finish is mediocre.... The factory is not climate-controlled, so there will be rust under both plating and paint."). Eastman now seem to belong to an industrial conglomerate and they advertise modern bikes--or maybe it's a different company. What were the difficult parts making this happen?


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