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Originally Posted by jackbombay
(Post 21300963)
The kinky cable is your problem.
When it was in 1st/2nd and you couldn't notice a difference between the 2 gears did you hear the freewheel click sound in both of those gears while you were pedalling? If you are actually in 1st gear you will not get the freewheel clicking sound when you pedal, but you will get it in second gear, and 3rd. The kinky cable means that you are wasting shifter cable pull getting the cable pulled taught instead of the cable pull changing gears. |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 21300863)
Put 3 or 4 drops of light machine oil in the hub port (every 4 months or so) and don't use 3-in-1 vegetable based oil. It needs to be dino or it will gum up.
https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/3inon...-motor-oil.pdf Here is the SDS sheet for all purpose 3 in 1, its mostly made up of "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil", I can say I'm not totally sure what that means! https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/3inon...ping-spout.pdf For oiling a hub that I don't know the history of I'll generally add a full teaspoon to it initially, and it will be a bit of a mess for a month or so, but it cleans up easy enough with a wheel brush and some simple green, at that point I know it has plenty of oil so I then back off to the 3-4 drops every 4 months or so that you recommend. |
When hubs have been sitting unused for years, oil can dry out and leave a sticky mess. Usually, it's the pawls that stick, but sometimes the clutch plate won't want to slide up and down smoothly. An easy way to tell is to disconnect the cable and operate the indicator chain by hand while you spin the wheel. If it operates smoothly and all gears engage, you know you have a cable/adjustment problem and the hub is fine.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 21301353)
When hubs have been sitting unused for years, oil can dry out and leave a sticky mess. Usually, it's the pawls that stick, but sometimes the clutch plate won't want to slide up and down smoothly. An easy way to tell is to disconnect the cable and operate the indicator chain by hand while you spin the wheel. If it operates smoothly and all gears engage, you know you have a cable/adjustment problem and the hub is fine.
worked on/messed up over the past 50+ years 1-Over tightening- inexperienced mechanics over tighten the hub and can strip the sun gear. there needs to be a little "play" in the hub 2-Lack of use- A hub that has sat for a number of years can gum up as the oil pools at the bottom and moisture can migrate in allowing oxidation. It's rare to find any real damage to the internal parts. |
Originally Posted by JJScaliger
(Post 21300825)
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I tried to squeeze in this set up between many family commitments today, but I was only able to get 2 gears to work. I was able to get all three shifter positions to click, but 1 and 2 seem like the same gear. I had to have the cable super slack or it wouldn't engage into 3. That cable is kind of kinked and I'm not sure if a longer indicator chain would prevent getting the correct tension. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d6d28489c.jpg Also- do not throw the old toogle chain out. The damaged links can be repaired using a nail of the right size as a rivet. I think the original rivets are harder, but in practice they don't have a lot of tension on them. I've been running a toggle chain repaired in this manner for the last 12 years. |
Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 21301678)
Someone hinted at a possible problem. Check your end float on the hub. The cones must have ever so slight amount of slop. You can check this at the rim- it should be able to move ever so slightly from side to side. If there is no play in the bearing cones the hub will not shift correctly and can be damaged!
Also- do not throw the old toogle chain out. The damaged links can be repaired using a nail of the right size as a rivet. I think the original rivets are harder, but in practice they don't have a lot of tension on them. I've been running a toggle chain repaired in this manner for the last 12 years. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 21301775)
Now that's a frugal New Englander! I just bought a package of 10 HSA 125 indicators from some guy on eBay.
My LBS has lots of these NOS |
Sunbeam W3 Wayfarer No S48571 1949/50 Part 3
I have now ridden this Sunbeam Wayfarer a few times and it has proved to be a very nice ride. I have also added a 1950's NOS Lucas Challis Bell and a NOS 'Ever Ready' Rear Lamp which I have converted to 9Volt LED running from a 9Volt 6LP3146 Battery (type fitted to Smoke Alarms). Also a Vintage Front Lamp of unknown make which I have also converted to 9Volt LED utilising the same battery as the rear lamp. See photos below:-
You can see other instalments regarding this rebuild at: Sunbeam W3 Wayfarer No S48571 1949/50 & Sunbeam W3 Wayfarer No S48571 1949/50 Part 2 https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0c08318de3.jpg NOS Lucas Challis Bell fitted. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4b7d9a7d59.jpg Front Lamp, switched on, illumination is quite bright. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ecdc072bbf.jpg Close up of front lamp. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4984577382.jpg Top of Front Lamp showing dual voltage switch ie. 4Volts or 8Volts. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b236c5bcc.jpg Ever Ready Rear Lamp. Had this in it's original box priced at 4/6d in the 40's/50's. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...58b6f6a8a8.jpg Lamp again is pretty bright https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...645adc62e5.jpg Bike in it's current state. |
Very nice.
4/6 in 1945 is worth about 8 pounds today.... Your BSA trigger looks NOS as well. |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 21304428)
Very nice.
4/6 in 1945 is worth about 8 pounds today.... Your BSA trigger looks NOS as well. I think the Challis Bell is probably much later than the bike and there is no date on it. |
Originally Posted by PeterLYoung
(Post 21304636)
Thanks your comments. Yes you are correct it is NOS and I think probably middish 1950's (there is no date on it) as also is the 3 speed cable which came in a sealed Britax (famous for seat belts) greaseproof bag.
I think the Challis Bell is probably much later than the bike and there is no date on it. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 21304706)
Great job on the bike. A classy ride. That front lamp reminds me of those old ww2 military lanterns. I think it might be one. Dual use because of the handle. And that looks like a spring loaded suspension. Designed for a heavy battery perhaps? Very cool.
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I got a weird one. I recently picked up a 1949 Royal Enfield rod brake machine ('Lightweight Sports'). It seems to have really unusual wheels- 650b instead of the regular 28" rims usually seen on rod brake machines. The rims appear original and no rust only on account of being worn by the brake action. The original finish appears to have been black paint. Anyone heard of something like this?
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Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 21306659)
I got a weird one. I recently picked up a 1949 Royal Enfield rod brake machine ('Lightweight Sports'). It seems to have really unusual wheels- 650b instead of the regular 28" rims usually seen on rod brake machines. The rims appear original and no rust only on account of being worn by the brake action. The original finish appears to have been black paint. Anyone heard of something like this?
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Yeah, 597mm/EA1/26 x 1 1/4” rims were popular in that era, but 584mm/650B?
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This Dunlop chart shows the British size was 26 x 1 1/2 or F9. It shows a bead circumference of 72.25, just under the EA3 value of 73.0. I think that works out to the difference between the 590 and 584 beads, especially when you compare the numbers between the EA1 and EA3.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...12a1d87511.jpg |
Here's a good looking Canadian Superbe for sale in Hamilton, Ontario
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0722a5d315.png https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...553b3b17c2.png Very complete with 2 keys. Pre 1961 with reasonable paint and decals. Seller is asking $185.00 https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14ec53b2c6.png |
Very interesting bike. I never saw paint like that on a Raleigh. Reminds me of my Hercules tourist.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...761d0473d.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 21306659)
I got a weird one. I recently picked up a 1949 Royal Enfield rod brake machine ('Lightweight Sports'). It seems to have really unusual wheels- 650b instead of the regular 28" rims usually seen on rod brake machines. The rims appear original and no rust only on account of being worn by the brake action. The original finish appears to have been black paint. Anyone heard of something like this?
I also have a couple 20 inch kids rod brake bikes. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5766ef5ab9.jpg |
I picked up a 1974 NOS S3C coaster brake Sturmey, the plan is to build up a drop bar "brakeless" bike with it, it'll obviously have the coaster brake, but it will look like it has no brakes. I'll buy some cheap ergo drop bar brake levers to use for more hand positions and I'll figure some way to install the shifter into the right brake lever so I won't have to move my hand from the hood to change gears. So, I am on the lookout for an older horizontal dropout bike around 56-58cm in size if anyone knows of one, I'm 5' 11"...
I will build this up with a 32 hole rim as I did with the other 40 hole S5 hub I recently built into a wheel. https://i.postimg.cc/Vv3ZvRKz/6D7AE1...68B1F7C737.jpg |
Originally Posted by brianhamp
(Post 21312470)
So how do you go about lacing a 40 hole hub into a 32 hole rim? I have alot of 40 hole hubs I would like to lace up but short on 40 hole rims..
Please share!! Let me know if you have any questions on this :-) |
Originally Posted by jackbombay
(Post 21311856)
I picked up a 1974 NOS S3C coaster brake Sturmey, the plan is to build up a drop bar "brakeless" bike with it, it'll obviously have the coaster brake, but it will look like it has no brakes. I'll buy some cheap ergo drop bar brake levers to use for more hand positions and I'll figure some way to install the shifter into the right brake lever so I won't have to move my hand from the hood to change gears. So, I am on the lookout for an older horizontal dropout bike around 56-58cm in size if anyone knows of one, I'm 5' 11"...
Here’s a pic of it built with 650b x 38mm wheels and an AW hub. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9bea82271.jpeg |
Originally Posted by brianhamp
(Post 21312479)
I will give it a go tomorrow... Thank you so much!!
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 21312489)
I have a Jeunet w/ horizontal dropouts and no derailleur hanger that might fit the bill. I need to measure when I’m back home, which won’t be until next weekend, but iirc it’s a 58cm frame (I’m 5’10”, and it fits me well).
Here’s a pic of it built with 650b x 38mm wheels and an AW hub. I actually took a look in the "Pass it around frame doesn't fit" thread and found a Schwinn Premis (columbus tubing) that Mad Honk was looking for a new home for so that will be on its way to me when he gets it boxed up, he even has the 32 hole wheels it came with so I can use the front as is and take apart the rear wheel to use the rim with my sturmey hub. I'm really looking forward to the build, its going to be laughably simple with only one cable to run! |
Originally Posted by jackbombay
(Post 21311856)
I picked up a 1974 NOS S3C coaster brake Sturmey, the plan is to build up a drop bar "brakeless" bike with it, it'll obviously have the coaster brake, but it will look like it has no brakes. I'll buy some cheap ergo drop bar brake levers to use for more hand positions and I'll figure some way to install the shifter into the right brake lever so I won't have to move my hand from the hood to change gears. So, I am on the lookout for an older horizontal dropout bike around 56-58cm in size if anyone knows of one, I'm 5' 11"...
I will build this up with a 32 hole rim as I did with the other 40 hole S5 hub I recently built into a wheel. https://i.postimg.cc/Vv3ZvRKz/6D7AE1...68B1F7C737.jpg Very important if you plan to ride in the city. I've got two coaster projects (Perry and a Duomatic) and they both have a caliper up front. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99f904d8eb.jpg Raleigh/Glider w/ Duomatic hub. The drop bars have been swapped out for uprights since this picture was taken. |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 21312772)
it's a good idea to install a front brake on a coaster bike.
Very important if you plan to ride in the city. I've got two coaster projects (Perry and a Duomatic) and they both have a caliper up front. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b1fae9dd6.jpg |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 21312833)
+10 I don't think SA coasters work well enough to trust one's life with. Duomatics are very good but still...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b1fae9dd6.jpg You can lock it up if you want to "lay a patch". Something like 70% of your stopping power is from the front. |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 21312772)
Someone, wiser than myself, pointed out that it's a good idea to install a front brake on a coaster bike.
Very important if you plan to ride in the city. I've got two coaster projects (Perry and a Duomatic) and they both have a caliper up front.
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 21312833)
+10 I don't think SA coasters work well enough to trust one's life with. Duomatics are very good but still...
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 21312843)
Something like 70% of your stopping power is
from the front. I will ride the bike accordingly, I can always add a front brake easily at a later date. |
Coaster Brake..
Originally Posted by jackbombay
(Post 21313184)
I know just a coaster brake is not the safest way to set up a bike, the front brake is absolutely the boss when it comes to dumping speed NOW!
I will ride the bike accordingly, I can always add a front brake easily at a later date. Years ago (in the 1950's) a 14 yr old friend was riding down a steep hill on his Schwinn Phantom equiped with only a Bendix coaster brake. ...while coasting at high speed, upon hitting a bump, the chain jumped off...resulting in no brakes, into a busy intesection...he died there after being hit by a car. I loved my English Indian Scout with front and rear handbrakes even more after that, so did my Mom & Dad. Jules in Ohio |
Originally Posted by jackbombay
(Post 21313184)
I know just a coaster brake is not the safest way to set up a bike, the front brake is absolutely the boss when it comes to dumping speed NOW!
I will ride the bike accordingly, I can always add a front brake easily at a later date. |
Originally Posted by julius rensch
(Post 21313526)
Years ago (in the 1950's) a 14 yr old friend was riding down a steep hill on his Schwinn Phantom equiped with only a Bendix coaster brake. ...while coasting at high speed, upon hitting a bump, the chain jumped off...resulting in no brakes, into a busy intesection...he died there after being hit by a car.
I loved my English Indian Scout with front and rear handbrakes even more after that, so did my Mom & Dad. Jules in Ohio
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 21313627)
Yah, I just like to hear myself saying the same things repeatedly. ;)
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