Changing from carbon fork to steel fork on steel bike
Hi all,
I have a steel bike which has a Reynolds 853 triangle and a carbon fork with an alloy steerer. It has cantilever brakes and I am now finding these harder to operate due to arthritis in my thumbs. I have been talking to a local frame builder about converting my bike to disc brakes. This is something he has already done for my wife for her bike although her bike was all steel to begin with. I've ridden lots of kilometres over the years on my bike and it has been great for long rides including brevets as well as touring. I'm a little concerned the change to a steel fork will change the feel/characteristics of the bike. The frame builder will be able to replicate the geometry of the existing fork and use Columbus steel. I'd be interested in other people's experiences with a change of fork from carbon to steel in particular. I am also considering a new bike instead but there are limited options at the spec level I'm after (GRX800) and I cant test ride them. Thanks in advance. |
Lots of carbon disc fork choices. :foo:
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
(Post 22238743)
Lots of carbon disc fork choices. :foo:
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I have bikes with steel forks and bikes with carbon forks and don't notice that much of a difference, but I'm not a princess-and-the-pea kind of person either. I'm the kind of person who would just buy another frame and fork that were designed for disks.
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I think the only choice for carbon 1" disc forks is Woundup. There may be some no-name generic forks out there, but I don't think that's a great idea.
1" disc is probably not the best idea, I'm undecided about building one myself. I don't think you are going to notice the difference between steel and carbon. |
Originally Posted by Nomad2
(Post 22238708)
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I have a steel bike which has a Reynolds 853 triangle and a carbon fork with an alloy steerer. It has cantilever brakes and I am now finding these harder to operate due to arthritis in my thumbs. .... I had cantilever brakes on that bike earlier, the mini-V brakes require a lot less brake lever pull to operate. Also, converting to Koolstop Salmon pads for rim brakes often improves braking. I do not recall which model brakes I used, but I am pretty sure they are Tektro and 85mm long. https://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ That table would tell you what is available if you can measure how much clearance you need for the brake cable where it goes across the tire or fender so you can get a long enough brake arm. My bike is packed away in a bag in my truck, I can check the model of brakes I used if you are curious. All my bikes have steel forks, I can't comment on Carbon. |
I went from steel to carbon fork on my road bike, years ago. I don't recall the change being noticeable at all. You are likely to change the ride characteristics just as much when you swap to a new wheel.
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Second thought - since you are having the form made, consider getting it with a thru-axle and the ability to use 180mm or 200mm rotors. The larger rotors will make the brakes more effective for a given amount of pull at the levers than with standard 160mm rotors.
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Originally Posted by ClydeClydeson;[url=tel:22239559
22239559[/url]]I went from steel to carbon fork on my road bike, years ago. I don't recall the change being noticeable at all. You are likely to change the ride characteristics just as much when you swap to a new wheel.
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Originally Posted by ClydeClydeson;[url=tel:22239564
22239564[/url]]Second thought - since you are having the form made, consider getting it with a thru-axle and the ability to use 180mm or 200mm rotors. The larger rotors will make the brakes more effective for a given amount of pull at the levers than with standard 160mm rotors.
Another way to require less hand force is to switch to hydraulic brakes. Or if you stick with cable brakes, add a set of CX interrupter brake levers, https://www.parktool.com/blog/repair...e-brake-levers |
Originally Posted by Nomad2
(Post 22238708)
Hi all,
I have a steel bike which has a Reynolds 853 triangle and a carbon fork with an alloy steerer. It has cantilever brakes and I am now finding these harder to operate due to arthritis in my thumbs. I have been talking to a local frame builder about converting my bike to disc brakes. This is something he has already done for my wife for her bike although her bike was all steel to begin with. I've ridden lots of kilometres over the years on my bike and it has been great for long rides including brevets as well as touring. I'm a little concerned the change to a steel fork will change the feel/characteristics of the bike. The frame builder will be able to replicate the geometry of the existing fork and use Columbus steel. I'd be interested in other people's experiences with a change of fork from carbon to steel in particular. I am also considering a new bike instead but there are limited options at the spec level I'm after (GRX800) and I cant test ride them. Thanks in advance. I prefer the ride with the steel fork by far. I am not sure why. |
I also forgot....I have a custom magnesium framed bike. It likes the wound up fork better than the enve carbon fork. Not sure why but it is much more comfortable on lousy roads. Rake? How the fibers are wrapped? It is noticeable to me when riding but I would not be able to tell just looking. I experimented with three different carbon forks on my recumbent and found that the stock one was best overall.
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One of my best riding bikes is an old 89 Team Miyata with steel forks. I took it on a 200k last weekend and noticed how the lightweight steel forks really soaked up the bumps in the road compared to much stiffer carbon forks on some of my other bikes. My one disk brake bike is a steel touring bike with steel forks, and they don't soak up the bumps nearly the same way the forks on the old race bike do. I assume because they a built beefier to support a load and the disks. The net-net is that there are lots of other factors that make a bigger difference than material. Not a new insight by any means. I was just reminded of it last weekend.
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Thank you to everyone who has responded. I'm going ahead with the modification. I'll make sure I at least get 160mm rotors though I'm not sure I'll go larger. Will keep riding it as is until November when the frame builder gets the dropouts in. Both fork and rear dropouts will be thru-axle. The current brakes are actually Avid Shorty 4's. Horrible things. Just last weekend the pins on the cartridge style pads on the front sheared off whist braking and the pads shot out. Happily this happened coming to a stop on a slight uphill. Fitted new non-cartridge style pads....
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The pins are supposed to be holding the pads in when the bike is going backwards. Which happens a lot more than you might expect.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 22252477)
The pins are supposed to be holding the pads in when the bike is going backwards. Which happens a lot more than you might expect.
Could the pad holders be reversed? |
The biggest difference will be in the weight. When I changed my Bianchi Brava from its native steel fork to a Look HSC full carbon fork the bike lost about 2lbs. in total weight.
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Originally Posted by pdlamb
(Post 22252631)
Could the pad holders be reversed?
I found out how important the pins were on a 200k when I had cut down some pads to clear my forks. I ended up losing a pad and I cut another one in half so I could have the full compliments of pads. They fell out more than once, even though I knew about it. I didn't know I moved my bike backwards that much. |
Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 22253277)
That's what I thought when I read your post. There really isn't anything stopping an inattentive mechanic from putting them in backwards.
I found out how important the pins were on a 200k when I had cut down some pads to clear my forks. I ended up losing a pad and I cut another one in half so I could have the full compliments of pads. They fell out more than once, even though I knew about it. I didn't know I moved my bike backwards that much. When I worked at a bike shop almost a half century ago, I was the only mechanic there that could figure out how to work on rod brakes, thus I was the one that worked on the vintage bikes like Raleigh DL1. Their pads did not have pins, would easily slide out backwards if you were stopped on an uphill and used the brakes to hold a bike from rolling backwards. |
I can confirm the pads were on the right way around. The location where the pads shot out was an uphill stop. I myself find it hard to believe that a slight roll backwards would be enough to make that happen but perhaps they were already ready to fail and that was the last straw. They weren't very good at stopping the bike going forward so that made it more surprising.
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Originally Posted by hayden52
(Post 22252798)
The biggest difference will be in the weight. When I changed my Bianchi Brava from its native steel fork to a Look HSC full carbon fork the bike lost about 2lbs. in total weight.
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I think most steel forks weigh less than 1 pound more than carbon forks.
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Originally Posted by Nomad2
(Post 22238708)
Hi all,
I have a steel bike which has a Reynolds 853 triangle and a carbon fork with an alloy steerer. It has cantilever brakes and I am now finding these harder to operate due to arthritis in my thumbs. I have been talking to a local frame builder about converting my bike to disc brakes. This is something he has already done for my wife for her bike although her bike was all steel to begin with. I've ridden lots of kilometres over the years on my bike and it has been great for long rides including brevets as well as touring. I'm a little concerned the change to a steel fork will change the feel/characteristics of the bike. The frame builder will be able to replicate the geometry of the existing fork and use Columbus steel. I'd be interested in other people's experiences with a change of fork from carbon to steel in particular. I am also considering a new bike instead but there are limited options at the spec level I'm after (GRX800) and I cant test ride them. Thanks in advance. |
Originally Posted by headwind15
(Post 22256054)
All of these posters are avoiding the underlying problem. I had really bad arthrits in my left thumb. I got to the point that where going down hill and even using hydraulic disc brakes with 160 rotor was doable, but anything less and my (left) thumb joint hurt. I had surgery to remove the bone on bone that created the pain. Now my thumb has no limits. I can use any brake and my hand is like that of a kid.
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Originally Posted by headwind15
(Post 22256054)
All of these posters are avoiding the underlying problem. I had really bad arthrits in my left thumb. I got to the point that where going down hill and even using hydraulic disc brakes with 160 rotor was doable, but anything less and my (left) thumb joint hurt. I had surgery to remove the bone on bone that created the pain. Now my thumb has no limits. I can use any brake and my hand is like that of a kid.
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