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Ray9 07-30-22 09:52 AM

My number was not up.
 
Since the pandemic I no longer go on long exploratory rides. I ride large loops around the bucolic, agricultural landscape of the small town I live in. I laid out the 50-mile course with almost all right turns so I would not have to cross traffic. But in some places those right turns are there, or I should say were, because I have reversed direction on one road without sacrificing mileage. I have had two 400-mile weeks this year and my weight is the same as it was in high school. Yesterday I came to the end of a road that has a stop sign with a large bush that blocks the view of oncoming traffic. If traffic is there, I honor the stop sign, if not I slowly roll through it. I use my front brake to slow down. Yesterday I heard traffic coming so I applied my front brake. I heard a strange noise like a guitar string breaking and my bike did not stop. By the time I got to the rear brake I was in the road in front of a car. The woman who nearly hit me did not yell at me. She asked If I was ok, and I thanked her profusely for not hitting me. My brake cable broke due to micro metal fatigue and I have replaced it.



I never panicked. If I had stopped, I would have been a sitting duck in front of her car. I aimed for the guard rails on the opposite side of the road and missed them by inches. It was close but no collision occurred. With the amount of riding I do it is inevitable that **** is going to happen. I know this and accept it. My number was not up; good luck with yours.

Iride01 07-30-22 10:03 AM

Glad you are still with us and safe.

Ray9 07-30-22 11:18 AM

Stay safe and may all your turns be right turns.

rsbob 07-30-22 12:50 PM

Wow that was a close one and luckily you had a caring and understanding driver. Sounds like a cautionary tale to always have your hands on both brake levers and apply pressure on each, but more on the front. Glad you came out fine.

epnnf 07-30-22 04:16 PM

Close calls happen too often. Ride safe.

Clyde1820 07-30-22 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Ray9 (Post 22592828)
Yesterday I heard traffic coming so I applied my front brake. I heard a strange noise like a guitar string breaking and my bike did not stop ...

Glad you made it through okay.

Had something like that occur, back when I was a teen-aged kid. Twenty-five mph and somebody didn't look before stepping in front of me. The rear brake's cable snapped, the front brake was all that was left ... there went the front wheel and I laid the bike down.

Two things I try to always do, these days: keep the brake's in top condition, with relatively frequent cable changes, regular maintenance, and daily eval of the brakes' condition; and, to never approaching an intersection where I cannot see all directions, without slowing to a very safe speed such that if something does happen I won't get splattered.

Has saved my bacon more than once, over the years. Never did want to lay it down again, after that first debacle. Didn't have full use of the arm for months, afterward. Was lucky I didn't land on my head, as I didn't wear a helmet back in those days. North of 50yrs of age, myself, I can no longer afford to be so unconcerned with how I approach that light comin' around the bend (as I often did, as a "pup").

sam21fire 07-30-22 08:32 PM

In the aircrew/flying world there's a basic concept of "what will I do if X important action doesn't work", aka always have a Plan B immediately available. Glad your guardian angel was paying attention.

Artmo 08-01-22 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Ray9 (Post 22592828)
Since the pandemic I no longer go on long exploratory rides. I ride large loops around the bucolic, agricultural landscape of the small town I live in. I laid out the 50-mile course with almost all right turns so I would not have to cross traffic. But in some places those right turns are there, or I should say were, because I have reversed direction on one road without sacrificing mileage. I have had two 400-mile weeks this year and my weight is the same as it was in high school. Yesterday I came to the end of a road that has a stop sign with a large bush that blocks the view of oncoming traffic. If traffic is there, I honor the stop sign, if not I slowly roll through it. I use my front brake to slow down. Yesterday I heard traffic coming so I applied my front brake. I heard a strange noise like a guitar string breaking and my bike did not stop. By the time I got to the rear brake I was in the road in front of a car. The woman who nearly hit me did not yell at me. She asked If I was ok, and I thanked her profusely for not hitting me. My brake cable broke due to micro metal fatigue and I have replaced it.



I never panicked. If I had stopped, I would have been a sitting duck in front of her car. I aimed for the guard rails on the opposite side of the road and missed them by inches. It was close but no collision occurred. With the amount of riding I do it is inevitable that **** is going to happen. I know this and accept it. My number was not up; good luck with yours.

Beats me why anyone would use only the front brake, unless riding fixed gear. But glad you survived.

rowerek 08-01-22 06:46 AM

This close call reminds me of my own thinking whenever I come to an intersections with limited visibility. I feel uneasy that my life hangs on the front brake working properly, over and over again. There should be a back up system, redundancy that would make likelihood of total failure less likely.
Cars used to to have single circuit braking system now they have double with ABS and warning lights if fluid level is low. These days technology is available, but it still take organization, community, company, somebody with conviction and big pockets to redesign bicycle breaking system, add redundancy, safety, and make brakes less likely to totally fail, Cars have new safety features continuously added, double braking system, ABS, crumpling zone, safety belts, air bags. Bicycle manufacturers, biking community should follow this kind of thinking as well.

boozergut 08-01-22 07:13 AM

Glad you didnt get smacked. Everyone is on their phone and the MU trails are becoming loaded with screaming ebikers. I've thus rediscovered the joy of an easy single track ride. I stop to take pictures. Take it easy.

terrymorse 08-01-22 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by rowerek (Post 22594488)
I feel uneasy that my life hangs on the front brake working properly, over and over again. There should be a back up system, redundancy that would make likelihood of total failure less likely.

There is a back up system. It is called the rear brake.

I had to descend Mt. Diablo once, using just the rear brake. But not because the front brake failed. The front hub's spoke flange failed, putting the front wheel severely out of true, so I had to remove the front brake.

At no time did my life hang in the balance.

rowerek 08-01-22 08:31 AM

Just to clarify a few terms.
Rear brake is NOT a back up system, rear break is a part of regular, standard bicycle equipment.
Long descent braking is NOT emergency braking.
Then again, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

Regarding front vs rear brake, below is a good, common sense explanation, based on rudimentary mechanics, of how they work and how they should be applied and understood. Hopefully some will find this helpful.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/how-...-on-a-bicycle/
"Front vs. Rear Brake
On dry pavement, the front brake alone halts the bike over the shortest distance.
Many riders think they need both brakes to stop effectively, if only because most bikes are outfitted with 2 brakes and that implies that one should use both. Here’s the way to think about it: the momentum of your body continues to move forward as your bike is slowing down, so your weight shifts forward. That’s why your rear wheel can come off the ground when braking hard. When your weight comes forward during hard braking, your rear wheel has close to zero traction. If you apply the rear brake under these conditions, the rear wheel will lock up without contributing significantly to the braking effort.

If you can apply the rear brake without locking up the rear wheel, then your weight isn’t shifting forward – a clear sign that you aren’t braking as hard as you should!

We tried braking with both brakes and with the front brake alone, and consistently found that if we focused all our attention on the front brake, we achieved much shorter stopping distances."

MoAlpha 08-01-22 11:13 AM

Good outcome. I will just observe that one’s number tries to come up a lot less on a properly maintained bike.

zandoval 08-01-22 11:43 AM

When we survive things like this it changes our future ridding style. If we want to survive. Sure glad you are OK!

Ya know we have a tendency to trust our proven bicycle components. On our old bicycle and motorcycle components it was a normal practice to closely inspect our cables along with just about everything else on the bikes. Now days with Stainless Steel cables and lined cable housings and close fitting ferrules inspections are not as frequent, or failures.

Thanks for posting... I am going to go and inspect my cables right now...

rumrunn6 08-01-22 12:58 PM

glad you're still here!

fwiw - I never use just one of the brakes. there's probably a reason bikes have two & cars have four

Tony Marley 08-02-22 05:05 AM

Very glad you came through that with just a scare. Your message is a cautionary tale to me to start checking my brake cables regularly.

flan48 08-02-22 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Iride01 (Post 22592841)
Glad you are still with us and safe.

+1 from me!!

Best regards

beng1 08-02-22 08:17 AM

Why would you have to change your cycling habits during an alleged pandemic? You are riding outside in open air alone right??? Or do you only ride in groups with the bikes within six feet of each other?

Anyway, if someone is serious about riding they should be serious about bike maintenance and regularly replace brake cables and check everything for alignment and wear. For a cable to snap it must have been really old.

Once back in the 1970s I was going down a really long steep hill on my Columbia road bike equipped with steel rims in the rain, at the bottom of the hill there was a stop sign in front of a busy two-lane state highway. I found I had zero brakes, and the odds of going through two lanes of fast highway traffic without dying were not good. So I stood up on both my feet on the road while holding onto the bikes bars, I found I was able to continue staying upright and balanced, sort of skiing down the wet hill with the bike under me to keep me balanced front to back, my feet did the job side to side. I was able to just stop by the bottom of the hill, but had worn holes through the soles of my P.F. Flyers. I would practice this maneuver before having to use it in an actual emergency though. If I had not been panicking I would have thought to jump off the back of the bike and slide down the road on my back until I stopped, but in situations like that few teenagers have the ability to think.

terrymorse 08-02-22 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by beng1 (Post 22595818)
Why would you have to change your cycling habits during an alleged pandemic? You are riding outside in open air alone right??? Or do you only ride in groups with the bikes within six feet of each other?

1. It was a pandemic, not an alleged pandemic.

2. Group rides were banned in my county.

3. Riding over 5 miles from home was banned in a neighboring county, so I had to stay out of there completely.

I assume others had similar issues.

79pmooney 08-02-22 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by beng1 (Post 22595818)
...

Anyway, if someone is serious about riding they should be serious about bike maintenance and regularly replace brake cables and check everything for alignment and wear. For a cable to snap it must have been really old.

...

Or have just a minor chafe at a hidden point like an improperly seated housing at the brake lever. (And comment - everyone checks that interface every time they change their brake cable, right? Just peel back 10" of HB tape, peer up there with a flashlight and note for sure all is good.) I'll admit to getting that interface wrong using the wrong or no cable (I'm forgetting the word) cap? sleeve? I have always noticed the spungy feeling creeping in so started riding with care and the failures were never catastrophic but yes, real wake up calls.

My thinking is that the lever/housng interface of the common aero/brifter brake lever is critical enough that it should be designed to be rock solid reliable with no end cap on the housing and a very good, clean, fair and tapered entry from the HB side so that fit can be idiotically easy. No parts to lose or need to have in a bike mod. (And just to be nice to us mechanical types, an easy to find entry from the lever side for when we replace that front cable because we do that often, right?)

beng1 08-03-22 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by terrymorse (Post 22595908)
3. Riding over 5 miles from home was banned in a neighboring county, so I had to stay out of there completely.
I assume others had similar issues.

Yes, about half the countries voters had similar issues.

Ray9 08-11-22 09:23 AM

I got some bad news from a bike shop tech. I need to replace the Chain, casette, and both chain rings. My Cannodale Super six EVO Hi Mod is tired, very tired. This is going to be expensive. I am going to hit my 401k for it. I will upgrade to super high-quality wheels but I will keep the clincher brakes. This leaves me no choice but to race the bike next year. I hope I can compete in a 75 and up division but I will probably have to go with the fifties. Carry on and may all your turns be right turns.

Calsun 08-18-22 04:02 PM

Years ago I switched to Campy brake cables which cost twice as much and big deal for a poor student but they never broke. Even now I see mostly cheap brake cables with few strands but meet a desired price point. There are bike cables selling on Amazon at 80 cents per cable and ones from Shimano that sell for $7 per cable. I would expect 99 out of 100 people buying brake cables on Amazon go with the cheap ones.


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