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Narhay 05-18-15 01:54 AM

I may have asked before but my browser is going on the fritz. Has anyone used these as a direct replacement for the stock brakes with fenders...particularly on a 1972 Superbe?

Sunlite - Steel Bicycle Brakeset W/ Levers, Front & Rear

noglider 05-18-15 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 17814320)
I may have asked before but my browser is going on the fritz. Has anyone used these as a direct replacement for the stock brakes with fenders...particularly on a 1972 Superbe?

Sunlite - Steel Bicycle Brakeset W/ Levers, Front & Rear

I haven't, and the design is close to the original, but if I were replacing brakes on a Raleigh, I would use dual-pivots. Those brakes are super cheap and may work badly. And while you're at it, you might as well take advantage of modern advances.

Narhay 05-18-15 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 17815280)
I haven't, and the design is close to the original, but if I were replacing brakes on a Raleigh, I would use dual-pivots. Those brakes are super cheap and may work badly. And while you're at it, you might as well take advantage of modern advances.

This would be for a low budget flip. I borrowed the brakes from the superbe to rebuild a sports with rusted out brake hardware.

noglider 05-18-15 11:19 AM

OK, that would justify the cost savings, but in my experience, cheap single pivots are some of the worst brakes I've ever used. Caliper arms need to be stiff to be effective.

Track10 05-19-15 10:24 AM

Hi Guys

I have a question and I am hoping you would like to play along ...

What would your 'perfect' Raleigh 3 Speed be like ?

Using only parts from the Raleigh Parts bin from say 1950 to 1975 how would you build your perfect 3 Speed ( or 4 speed for that matter )

Would you use an early frame or a late 60's 70's frame. Would you use Rod brakes or rim brakes - what hubs would you use, would you have a dymo - would you pop a 4 speed in ? What chainguard - what handlebars - I think there are only 3 choices ? North Road - the much flatter / lower type and the type that are used with the rod brakes ( is that curve only ever used on rod braked bikes ? - oh is there also the type like the one used on the 20's ? - What saddle would you fit, what pedals - and last of all - what colour would you paint it ?

I think I have an idea what my bike would look like ( I will tell you later ) but would love to know what yours would be like - oh and it would be great to know why you made those choices ?

Sixty Fiver 05-19-15 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Track10 (Post 17818920)
Hi Guys

I have a question and I am hoping you would like to play along ...

What would your 'perfect' Raleigh 3 Speed be like ?

Using only parts from the Raleigh Parts bin from say 1950 to 1975 how would you build your perfect 3 Speed ( or 4 speed for that matter )

Would you use an early frame or a late 60's 70's frame. Would you use Rod brakes or rim brakes - what hubs would you use, would you have a dymo - would you pop a 4 speed in ? What chainguard - what handlebars - I think there are only 3 choices ? North Road - the much flatter / lower type and the type that are used with the rod brakes ( is that curve only ever used on rod braked bikes ? - oh is there also the type like the one used on the 20's ? - What saddle would you fit, what pedals - and last of all - what colour would you paint it ?

I think I have an idea what my bike would look like ( I will tell you later ) but would love to know what yours would be like - oh and it would be great to know why you made those choices ?

See the first three posts in this thread.

desconhecido 05-20-15 01:06 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 17815280)
I haven't, and the design is close to the original, but if I were replacing brakes on a Raleigh, I would use dual-pivots. Those brakes are super cheap and may work badly. And while you're at it, you might as well take advantage of modern advances.

Dual pivots is probably the smart thing to do. Looks like the Tektro 800A are pretty inexpensive, nut mounted, and adaptable to the rear on step through models.

That said, the Weinmann sidepulls that they put on the 79 Sports are pretty decent for standard sidepull brakes. I like them much better than the steel Raleigh brakes used in 51, 56, 72, and 74. I'm not sure that the Weinmanns have the same reach as the Raleigh steel calipers and that may be a factor for the rear on older Sports bikes. They changed some stuff with the rear brake /rack bridge about the same time that they went to the Winmann brakes and I have not measured to be sure that they didn't move the rear brake mount a tad closer to the axle. What I think is that the Weinmann brakes may be slightly shorter reach than the steel Raleighs, but I haven't actually measured.

bwilli88 05-20-15 02:50 AM


What would your 'perfect' Raleigh 3 Speed be like ?
I would start with a rootbeer colored 74 Grand Prix and take off all of the derailleur bits, the crankarms, and the bottom bracket. I would replace the rear hub with a S-A 3 speed, ideally a S-A S3x with a 16t freewheel. I would find a nice Suguino crankarm set and put a 44t or a 46t chainring on it. For the gear lever I would choose one of two options, 1. Run the cable up the seatstay to a pulley and mount the gear changing lever on the top tube near the stem or 2. Purchase a single gear changer for the down tube and run the cable like the rear derailleur cable. I would also change the rims to 27 x 1 3/8 aluminum rims and run the fattest 27" tires I could find.

bertinjim 05-20-15 05:49 AM

bwilli88-

I did a similar conversion for my son. I took a black Sprite, removed the 5 speed derailleur bits, built alloy rims onto a 3 speed rear and QR front wheel with high pressure tires. It was one of the nicest handling and riding bikes I ever rode. The first time he rode it, it was stolen from a friend's house. Sigh.

BigChief 05-20-15 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Track10 (Post 17818920)
Hi Guys

I have a question and I am hoping you would like to play along ...

What would your 'perfect' Raleigh 3 Speed be like ?

Using only parts from the Raleigh Parts bin from say 1950 to 1975 how would you build your perfect 3 Speed ( or 4 speed for that matter )

Would you use an early frame or a late 60's 70's frame. Would you use Rod brakes or rim brakes - what hubs would you use, would you have a dymo - would you pop a 4 speed in ? What chainguard - what handlebars - I think there are only 3 choices ? North Road - the much flatter / lower type and the type that are used with the rod brakes ( is that curve only ever used on rod braked bikes ? - oh is there also the type like the one used on the 20's ? - What saddle would you fit, what pedals - and last of all - what colour would you paint it ?

I think I have an idea what my bike would look like ( I will tell you later ) but would love to know what yours would be like - oh and it would be great to know why you made those choices ?

If you take into account rugged reliability, I think any of the Sports or DL-1 type Raleighs in stock trim are the perfect 3 speed
bikes. It's only if you want to sacrifice some strength for light weight do you move into the Clubman 531 framed style 3 speeds.
As cool as they are, they were eclipsed by 10 speed light weight touring bikes for good reason. To me, for getting around town or
light touring in flat country, a Raleigh Sports or any of the re-badged models from the 50s and 60s are just about perfect as is.
That's not stopping me from building my own 3 speed Clubman though. I even have some parts set aside for my project.

Flog00 05-20-15 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Lastillluce (Post 17794681)
Hi, I was wondering if anybody could help me find information on my bike. I've had no luck researching online and I'm just looking for information so I can have it restored. It rides well still, Dynamo light cable needs to be replaced, but I know next to nothing about it other than its a Popular Special sports model 1960. Any info would be appreciated. Will add more pictures soon.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450610http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450612http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450613

I have a Popular Special. 1964, I thought it was Raleigh made, never researched it..... hmmmm
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7734/1...ea50f33c_o.jpgp2 by flog00, on Flickr
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5458/1...2750c1e9_o.jpgp1 by flog00, on Flickr

gster 05-20-15 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flog00 (Post 17822191)
I have a Popular Special. 1964, I thought it was Raleigh made, never researched it..... hmmmm
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7734/1...ea50f33c_o.jpgp2 by flog00, on Flickr
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5458/1...2750c1e9_o.jpgp1 by flog00, on Flickr

Most likely a Raleigh re-branded for a Hardware or Department Store chain...

Slash5 05-20-15 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 17821307)
I would start with a rootbeer colored 74 Grand Prix and take off all of the derailleur bits, the crankarms, and the bottom bracket. I would replace the rear hub with a S-A 3 speed, ideally a S-A S3x with a 16t freewheel. I would find a nice Suguino crankarm set and put a 44t or a 46t chainring on it. For the gear lever I would choose one of two options, 1. Run the cable up the seatstay to a pulley and mount the gear changing lever on the top tube near the stem or 2. Purchase a single gear changer for the down tube and run the cable like the rear derailleur cable. I would also change the rims to 27 x 1 3/8 aluminum rims and run the fattest 27" tires I could find.

It's going to get powder coated at some point. The rims are stainless steel 700C from a Gazelle.
The front brake cable pulled out of place and I didn't notice it till after I took the picture.
http://i.imgur.com/JfRLKRD.jpg

markk900 05-20-15 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Flog00 (Post 17822191)
I have a Popular Special. 1964, I thought it was Raleigh made, never researched it..... hmmmm
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7734/1...ea50f33c_o.jpgp2 by flog00, on Flickr
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5458/1...2750c1e9_o.jpgp1 by flog00, on Flickr

Gorgeous bike .... notice the fitting for a full chain case. I also like the very "spidery" chainwheel....I agree with @gster - probably one of many many "made to order" Raleighs...

Velocivixen 05-21-15 12:22 AM

I haven't ridden "Prince Phillip" in awhile, so I aired up the tires and went for a 10 mile ride. I used to have a 1964 Lincoln Continental - 18' long with suicide doors - ice blue. It rode like it was on air. That's what my 3 speed rides like. Just smooth and silent. I did have to add more oil to the rear hub because Phillip sounded "metallic" while coasting. I oiled him up once I got home and rode around some more and now all is well.

Wrong side shot but only one I got with the new Col De La Vie tires.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5451/1...229de3b6_z.jpgCol de la Vie Tires by velocivixen, on Flickr

BigChief 05-21-15 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Flog00 (Post 17822191)
I have a Popular Special. 1964, I thought it was Raleigh made, never researched it..... hmmmm
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7734/1...ea50f33c_o.jpgp2 by flog00, on Flickr
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5458/1...2750c1e9_o.jpgp1 by flog00, on Flickr

I'm thinking Raleigh too, but there are a couple of features that make me wonder if Raleigh sometimes sold incomplete bikes to other companies as well as re-badged models. I've seen that nice chainring before, but never on a Raleigh. Mostly on Phillips. And then, on this bike I see a lug mounted shifter pulley. Raleigh changed back to a clamp on in 1957.

Fidbloke 05-21-15 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17824259)
I haven't ridden "Prince Phillip" in awhile, so I aired up the tires and went for a 10 mile ride. I used to have a 1964 Lincoln Continental - 18' long with suicide doors - ice blue. It rode like it was on air. That's what my 3 speed rides like. Just smooth and silent. I did have to add more oil to the rear hub because Phillip sounded "metallic" while coasting. I oiled him up once I got home and rode around some more and now all is well.

Wrong side shot but only one I got with the new Col De La Vie tires.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5451/1...229de3b6_z.jpgCol de la Vie Tires by velocivixen, on Flickr

I didn't realise that the Col de la Vie tyres were so 'plumpy'.!
They look like balloon tyres in your photo.
Have they made any difference to the ride quality.?

Velocivixen 05-21-15 10:00 AM

I think they have. I initially bought Kenda 26x 1 3/8" tires from the bike shop because that's what they had. I eventually bought these and noticed a cushier ride. Only issue I have is the tread likes to pick up little rocks, so every rotation I hear "click, click".

markk900 05-21-15 08:04 PM

They are cushy, but also slower riding in my opinion. The Col de la Vie tires are actually 26 x 1 1/2" (which doesn't sound much bigger but clearance on my bike is actually almost a problem). I like them but won't buy another set - too expensive, too much trouble to source, and not that much "better" to make it worth the effort.

w1gfh 05-22-15 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by Track10 (Post 17818920)
Hi Guys

I have a question and I am hoping you would like to play along ...

What would your 'perfect' Raleigh 3 Speed be like ?

Using only parts from the Raleigh Parts bin from say 1950 to 1975 how would you build your perfect 3 Speed ( or 4 speed for that matter )

Would you use an early frame or a late 60's 70's frame. Would you use Rod brakes or rim brakes - what hubs would you use, would you have a dymo - would you pop a 4 speed in ? What chainguard - what handlebars - I think there are only 3 choices ? North Road - the much flatter / lower type and the type that are used with the rod brakes ( is that curve only ever used on rod braked bikes ? - oh is there also the type like the one used on the 20's ? - What saddle would you fit, what pedals - and last of all - what colour would you paint it ?

I think I have an idea what my bike would look like ( I will tell you later ) but would love to know what yours would be like - oh and it would be great to know why you made those choices ?

Raleigh Sports frame (black) from the mid 1960s with parts from that era like the standard 3 speed SA hub, classic SA 3 speed shifter with black and red printed logo, white hand grips, white (not gray) ribbed brake cable and shift cable, and a black saddle bag. Enhancements would include a Brooks B66, dyno hub front wheel, Sturmey or Lucas bullet headlamp and tail lamp, Prestube rack, and late 60s caliper brakes with those handy knurled adjusters.

BGBeck 05-22-15 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 17828278)
Raleigh Sports frame (black) from the mid 1960s with parts from that era like the standard 3 speed SA hub, classic SA 3 speed shifter with black and red printed logo, white hand grips, white (not gray) ribbed brake cable and shift cable, and a black saddle bag. Enhancements would include a Brooks B66, dyno hub front wheel, Sturmey or Lucas bullet headlamp and tail lamp, Prestube rack, and late 60s caliper brakes with those handy knurled adjusters.

+1

w1gfh 05-22-15 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BGBeck (Post 17828621)
+1

No B66 or dynohub, but working on it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=452925

BigChief 05-22-15 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 17829325)
No B66 or dynohub, but working on it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=452925

Ahhhh, perfection

michaelz28 05-22-15 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by w1gfh (Post 17829325)
No B66 or dynohub, but working on it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=452925

nice light http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...psivlkt1vt.jpg

w1gfh 05-23-15 08:03 AM


Would you use Rod brakes or rim brakes
Late 60s caliper brakes. Pinch-bolt cable ends.

what hubs would you use
Or maybe you mean rims? Steel rims, please. Kool Stop Continental brake pads do an excellent job on these.

would you pop a 4 speed in ?
No. 3 speed SA hub with a 22 tooth sprocket to help on hills. Steel shift cable pulley and cable stay/guide/thingy.

What chainguard- what handlebars
Hockey stick chainguard (the full chainguard is too retro for me) North Road handlebars

what pedals
Stock mid 60s pedals, please

what colour would you paint it ?
Black, with the gold pinstriping and decal set that was stock for the mod 60s

ALSO: no water bottle holder may be added. If you have a mid 60s Raleigh, you may not have a water bottle holder. ; )

BigChief 05-23-15 08:59 AM

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If the bike came with Raleigh special section steel rims I would never think of replacing them. One thing from the 60s bothers me though. The metallic bands they took to putting on the seat tube never hold up, even on well cared for bikes. I keep the original pedals, but for riding I use MKS Sylvans. I hate the noises from worn out pedals and I prefer the feel of the MKS.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453018

dweenk 05-24-15 12:13 PM

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I did it again. I saw an ad pop up on the local CL - 2 Raleigh Sports (coffee), 1 Raleigh Sprite (ladies coffee), and a Schwinn 3-speed (blue). I bought the larger Sports - been looking for one of those for a while. It is CLEAN (all the bikes were clean), all I needed to do was add some air to the tires, tighten the kickstand, and drip some Tri-Flow into the trigger shifter.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453275http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453276http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453277http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453278http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=453279

The hub is dated 1979. The saddle is a Bell replacement, but I was never a fan of plastic Brooks saddles anyway.

oddjob2 05-24-15 03:31 PM

I have been looking a while for a rod brake Raleigh Tourist, even though I don't even own a tweed sports coat anymore. Most have been priced out of my comfort zone or incomplete. This one, a best offer, showed up only 4 blocks from my house. We started out $600 apart, but he wanted the cash today. I think it is early 1970's.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/k95s6jtgz93..._0742.jpg?dl=0

dweenk 05-24-15 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by oddjob2 (Post 17833540)
I have been looking a while for a rod brake Raleigh Tourist, even though I don't even own a tweed sports coat anymore. Most have been priced out of my comfort zone or incomplete. This one, a best offer, showed up only 4 blocks from my house. We started out $600 apart, but he wanted the cash today. I think it is early 1970's.

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/k95s6jtgz93..._0742.jpg?dl=0

Best of luck on the deal, but that seat**********

oddjob2 05-24-15 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 17833617)
Best of luck on the deal, but that seat**********

I should clarify that the Seller took my offer and the DL-1 is in my garage! :)

A black Brooks Flyer has been waiting to connect with a DL-1. I have a whole box of saddle take offs that look more like upholstery. They actually are in some demand, although I never put them on a bike I've refurbished.


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