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big john 04-08-20 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 21408096)
Maybe running into other cars kept them from running into telephone and traffic control infrastructure :)

That plus when traffic is clear idiots seem to think they can make up for all the times they were stuck in congestion.

big john 04-08-20 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408099)

There are also reports of brain disease from CoV-2.

There's always been brain disease due to sitting behind a steering wheel.

MoAlpha 04-08-20 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21407724)
Meeting was ok. Very preliminary and felt more like an ethics committee meeting. But we need to be prepared for the worst case, if it happens.

Will be meeting weekly on Wednesdays for updates.

**** could really get real.

I attended a session on exactly the same question today, led by our head bioethics person with an outside speaker. No one is really willling to come out with a set of hard criteria and priorities.

abshipp 04-08-20 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21406031)
(and of course you need to carry enough fuel to decelerate upon arrival)

....

An analogy

I know this topic has died, but I wanted to thank you for your reply. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

And yeah, the deceleration problem to make human travel a worthwhile thing is a big issue. Having to carry double the fuel you need to get there just to stop in time? I know there is atmospheric braking and that works great for a lot of LEO and 'local' trips, but given the speeds that you would need to go interstellar it just can't be practical.

I enjoyed your analogy as well.


This also basically puts the kibosh on aliens, which doesn't stop my nightmares.
Have you watched the Hulu series "Project Blue Book"? It's kind of dumb, but I really enjoy it at least.

datlas 04-08-20 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408138)
**** could really get real.

I attended a session on exactly the same question today, led by our head bioethics person with an outside speaker. No one is really willling to come out with a set of hard criteria and priorities.

They actually have a validated score system based on various objective criteria. If beds or vents not adequate, people with the worst score/prognosis don’t get treated or have it withdrawn. It’s terrible but worst-case, necessary. They make it very clear that the people on this committee are NOT the clinicians who are caring for individuals. This is more like population management.

I sure hope it’s not needed. Fingers crossed.

indyfabz 04-08-20 05:59 PM

There’s no place like home.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2e18c22c8.jpeg

datlas 04-08-20 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21408194)

:love:

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 21408090)
Also Accidents seam to be frequent. Yesterday someone creamed the traffic light pole to our subdivision. I saw remnants of 3 other telephone pole conflicts. All recent with car parts strewn about. 2/3rds of the traffic is gone and yet people still cant drive?

Accidents are UP in Austin. #texas

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 21408146)
Have you watched the Hulu series "Project Blue Book"? It's kind of dumb, but I really enjoy it at least.

I have not, but I'll add it to the list, thanks! It may be good trainer fodder.

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21408194)

I'm sure he's happy to be home and you're happy to have him. Everything went well, such as it is under the circumstances?

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:07 PM

And it seems we're going to put an offer in on that house. Seems surreal under the circumstances, but its a gem.

MoAlpha 04-08-20 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21408175)
They actually have a validated score system based on various objective criteria. If beds or vents not adequate, people with the worst score/prognosis don’t get treated or have it withdrawn. It’s terrible but worst-case, necessary. They make it very clear that the people on this committee are NOT the clinicians who are caring for individuals. This is more like population management.

I sure hope it’s not needed. Fingers crossed.

The discussion I heard went beyond clinical criteria to emergency provider status, self-inflicted harms, e.g., smoking, and discussion of whether risk factors, e.g., metabolic syndrome, acquired as a partial result of racial or economic care disparities should be considered differently.

And yes, the triage committee is there to insulate the providers from having, or being allowed, to make any resource allocation decisions.

Yeah, good to think about, awful to have to do.

ls01 04-08-20 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408099)
Possibly brilliant insight.

There are also reports of brain disease from CoV-2.

They would have to have a brain then wouldnt they? I see no evidence of that....

MoAlpha 04-08-20 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by ls01 (Post 21408207)
They would have to have a brain then wouldnt they? I see no evidence of that....

Something's making the limbs move and the mouth talk ****e.

abshipp 04-08-20 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 21408194)
There’s no place like home.

That's a very content looking kitty :love:

I'm sure you feel even better than he does to have him home :)

datlas 04-08-20 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408206)
The discussion I heard went beyond clinical criteria to emergency provider status, self-inflicted harms, e.g., smoking, and discussion of whether risk factors, e.g., metabolic syndrome, acquired as a partial result of racial or economic care disparities should be considered differently.

And yes, the triage committee is there to insulate the providers from having, or being allowed, to make any resource allocation decisions.

Yeah, good to think about, awful to have to do.

I eyeballed the criteria. It was really more on comorbidities. Could not be based on immigration status or other demographics (except maybe age). It’s as fair as it can be. Still terrible.

ls01 04-08-20 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21408205)
And it seems we're going to put an offer in on that house. Seems surreal under the circumstances, but its a gem.

congratulations

MoAlpha 04-08-20 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21408213)
It’s as fair as it can be.

If one only considers the medical issues.

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408206)
The discussion I heard went beyond clinical criteria to emergency provider status, self-inflicted harms, e.g., smoking, and discussion of whether risk factors, e.g., metabolic syndrome, acquired as a partial result of racial or economic care disparities should be considered differently.

And yes, the triage committee is there to insulate the providers from having, or being allowed, to make any resource allocation decisions.

Yeah, good to think about, awful to have to do.

And not a thing I ever thought would be happening on US soil in peacetime.

abshipp 04-08-20 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408211)
Something's making the limbs move and the mouth talk ****e.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...67111bdabb.png

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 21408213)
I eyeballed the criteria. It was really more on comorbidities. Could not be based on immigration status or other demographics (except maybe age). It’s as fair as it can be. Still terrible.

It puts a bad dat at the office for me into perspective. I'm glad you're doing the job; I'd have a very hard time with it.

abshipp 04-08-20 06:18 PM

Worked from home today due to my poor wife having a terrible muscle spasm in her back, and I wanted to make sure any help she needed was available.

Thankfully, she's doing a lot better. She finally has a functional range of movement after being basically immobile and bedridden. Really tough to see :(

OTOH, I kind of forgot how nice it was to listen to music on some decent near-field desktop speakers.

MoAlpha 04-08-20 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 21408223)
It puts a bad dat at the office for me into perspective. I'm glad you're doing the job; I'd have a very hard time with it.

I'm glad he's doing it too.

Bah Humbug 04-08-20 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by abshipp (Post 21408226)
Worked from home today due to my poor wife having a terrible muscle spasm in her back, and I wanted to make sure any help she needed was available.

Thankfully, she's doing a lot better. She finally has a functional range of movement after being basically immobile and bedridden. Really tough to see :(

OTOH, I kind of forgot how nice it was to listen to music on some decent near-field desktop speakers.

Oof… my sympathies to her. When your back goes, you're done. There is little that miserable.

ls01 04-08-20 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 21408211)
Something's making the limbs move and the mouth talk ****e.

muscle memory?


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