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Eric F 07-11-22 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571260)
Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

Valid point. My mental image was of guys who have paid their dues. You're probably right, though.

big john 07-11-22 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571260)
Oh, more power than sense would be a definite problem but, frankly, my first concern on an A- or even B-ride would be the possibility of resentment from others. I think that, once there's an element of suffering involved, folks may side-eye the e-bike riders, 'specially if the e-bike riders aren't really tactful, and I just wouldn't want that kind of wedge forming within the group.

The two that I ride with are very tactful, and everyone likes them and many of us have known them for years, decades in my case. They both raced for years and are highly skilled bike handlers.
They never try to blow up a ride or use the motor against others.

big john 07-11-22 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571244)
Agree 100%. Even with age, endurance at a modest pace is very realistic. Just remember to eat, drink, and stretch.

To me, the climbing is the big factor. I don't think I want to do another 10,000 foot century but a flat one wouldn't be a problem. Probably.

genejockey 07-11-22 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571228)
Oof - yeah, that'd be a tough one. IMO, the more aggressive the ride, the less disposed I'd be towards them. A or even B ride? Nah. C ride? I could see it.

That's also my thinking. Casual, no-drop rides? Sure. Competitive rides? Nope.

big john 07-11-22 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22571309)
Valid point. My mental image was of guys who have paid their dues. You're probably right, though.

Even Skarin rides an e-bike now, and he's a 2 time Olympian and won a ton of races.

WhyFi 07-11-22 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22571314)
The two that I ride with are very tactful, and everyone likes them and many of us have known them for years, decades in my case. They both raced for years and are highly skilled bike handlers.
They never try to blow up a ride or use the motor against others.

Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

datlas 07-11-22 03:24 PM

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big john 07-11-22 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571359)
Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

When they first got the things they would not go to club rides but did come to our smaller group rides which were no-drop for my (and others) benefit. They would go to the front and the strongest rider would then be the limiting factor. In other words, the speed increased until we backmarkers were struggling. They had no sense of how difficult it was for us because it was so easy for them. They have figured it out since then.

indyfabz 07-11-22 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 22571360)
Thread needs more cats.

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genejockey 07-11-22 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571359)
Yeah, I can see a wide range of results, depending upon the size of the group and the individuals within the group. In some groups, I could see it being awesome - leveling ability and letting people enjoy more time together. I do think, though, that as groups trend towards larger and/or more competitive, the more problematic they could be. I'm a pretty easy-going guy, but I can also be competitive - if someone with a motor tried to beat me to a town sign or to the top of a hill, I might not be okay with that in the heat of the moment. :notamused:

A few weeks back, I was riding the Canyon, and there was a rider who was taking much the same route as I did. It was one of those things where I'd passed him, then he caught up at stoplights, then I passed them again. The third time, he said something like, "It's nice when the bike does the work for you", which didn't initially register, but I think he thought I was on an e-bike.

big john 07-11-22 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22571402)
A few weeks back, I was riding the Canyon, and there was a rider who was taking much the same route as I did. It was one of those things where I'd passed him, then he caught up at stoplights, then I passed them again. The third time, he said something like, "It's nice when the bike does the work for you", which didn't initially register, but I think he thought I was on an e-bike.

I've had that on my mtb. It has a bulky bottom bracket area which looks like it could hide a motor.

genejockey 07-11-22 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by big john (Post 22571424)
I've had that on my mtb. It has a bulky bottom bracket area which looks like it could hide a motor.

The guy was about my age, +/- 5-10 years, skinny, and riding an old Kestrel. I think he didn't want to think an old fat guy was faster than him. But that was one of my "Cycling God" days. Another day, I wouldn't be.

WhyFi 07-11-22 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22571402)
A few weeks back, I was riding the Canyon, and there was a rider who was taking much the same route as I did. It was one of those things where I'd passed him, then he caught up at stoplights, then I passed them again. The third time, he said something like, "It's nice when the bike does the work for you", which didn't initially register, but I think he thought I was on an e-bike.

Uh huh - whatever you say, motor-doper :p

WhyFi 07-11-22 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22571455)
I think he didn't want to think an old fat guy was faster than him. But that was one of my "Cycling God" days. Another day, I wouldn't be.

I have the opposite problem - people seeing my glorious legs and wondering why I'm not faster. :cry:

MoAlpha 07-11-22 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571239)
Increasing range while maintaining intensity and duration would be a really cool thing - getting to see more and varied terrain would be a really nice benefit and motivator.

....but I'd put money on you doing a century without. I would bet that more people would have problems with the position-related fatigue rather than the effort necessary. You really don't need to move that fast if you're comfortable.

An ebike would be good for smoothing out the effort on the hills on the 80% of training one is supposed to be doing at very low intensity. Some experts, e.g., Iņigo San Millan, speculate that a single excursion out of zone with a lactate surge can flip you out of aerobic metabolism and preferential fat burning and into glycolysis for the rest of the ride.

WhyFi 07-11-22 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22571463)
Some experts, e.g., Iņigo San Millan, speculate that a single excursion out of zone with a lactate surge can flip you out of aerobic metabolism and preferential fat burning and into glycolysis for the rest of the ride.

Damn it - I have enough things to work up my anxiety and now you tell me this? :p​​​​​

genejockey 07-11-22 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571458)
Uh huh - whatever you say, motor-doper :p

Not me! I'm just a garden variety dope.

WhyFi 07-11-22 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22571463)
Some experts, e.g., Iņigo San Millan, speculate that a single excursion out of zone with a lactate surge can flip you out of aerobic metabolism and preferential fat burning and into glycolysis for the rest of the ride.

Oh, and FYI, I've been doing some intermittent fasting. Might try some real deal, multi-day fasting, too - I've got enough stores. :o

Eric F 07-11-22 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22571466)
Not me! I'm just a garden variety dope.

I know a few guys who plant dope in their garden.

Mojo31 07-11-22 05:26 PM

May have to get a Vivax motor for the comfort bike.

Mojo31 07-11-22 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22571471)
I know a few guys who plant dope in their garden.

I know a few who plant it in their 10 to 20 acre gardens.

genejockey 07-11-22 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571468)
Oh, and FYI, I've been doing some intermittent fasting. Might try some real deal, multi-day fasting, too - I've got enough stores. :o

I'm more the intermittent overeating kind of guy.

Eric F 07-11-22 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22571480)
I'm more the intermittent overeating kind of guy.

I resemble this remark.

genejockey 07-11-22 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22571463)
An ebike would be good for smoothing out the effort on the hills on the 80% of training one is supposed to be doing at very low intensity. Some experts, e.g., Iņigo San Millan, speculate that a single excursion out of zone with a lactate surge can flip you out of aerobic metabolism and preferential fat burning and into glycolysis for the rest of the ride.

This must be why I'm still over 200 lbs. There are too many climbs on my Sunday route, causing me to flip into glycolysis.

Yeah, that must be it. It's not the ice cream and chips. It's the hills.

MoAlpha 07-11-22 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22571464)
Damn it - I have enough things to work up my anxiety and now you tell me this? :p​​​​​

Right?

And on my extended commutes through the park where all the weird, out of shape, aggro riders are, I am now a soft target for anyone with something to prove. :50:


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