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Brian Mc 11-16-15 05:55 PM

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My 1958 21" Sports. Flip top oiler on bb & hub. I picked it up for $25 and replaced the rock hard and cracking B72 with an epay B67 for 4 times that (go figgure.) 22 tooth cog makes it much better for me in RAGBRI land. I ride it most days to exercise my German shepherd as long as the snow is not too deep. I replaced the focused Rampar head light bulb with an led and the bottle runs it at a snails pace. It feels cramped in the cockpit for me, but I love it. I have a black early 70s Sports in 23" but it's beat up and doesn't' ride nearly as nice. It's been on three Tweed Rides, last one only a week ago. Hennepin Wheel Goods Company receipt is dated two weeks after my date of birth.


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markk900 11-16-15 06:14 PM

@Brian Mc: nice ride! How did you score the original receipt on a $25 bike!? Looks like you are keeping it in great shape.

BigChief 11-16-15 06:50 PM

@IronDan. There's a few features that can identify a pre 60s frame. An oil filler in the bottom bracket. Sometimes a flip top, sometimes a spring loaded ball bearing type. Sometime in the 50s Raleigh changed the cable pulley from a 2 piece clamp on to a brazed lug on the top tube. Changed to a one piece clamp on sometime around 1960. You may also notice a round mount with a hole on the right chainstay behind the chainwheel. This is for mounting a enclosed chaincase, but it was still there on 1950s Sports models with the hockey stick chainguard. Not sure exactly when this disappeared but it was gone by the 60s.

Brian Mc 11-17-15 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 18324008)
@Brian Mc: nice ride! How did you score the original receipt on a $25 bike!? Looks like you are keeping it in great shape.

Maybe five years ago I had a client (an older lady) that wanted to trade her deceased brother's bike for something she might ride. I took her and the bike to the LBS and they offered her $20 for it. I said I'd give $25. It was incredibly grimy and the chrome was rusted. A few days later she called and said she had some things that went with the bike. The literature was in the Brooks bag, even the Master Lock padlock and combination tag was in there too.

dweenk 11-17-15 03:48 PM

If anyone needs a Sturmey Archer pulley (with issues), I just posted one on "Pay It Forward".

redfoxdogs 11-18-15 05:30 PM

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The 1970's DL-1 my husband bought to mess around with. He bought new tires and did some basic cleaning. It runs. He road it up to the farm and I rode it part way back. There were some hills. The bike "almost" has brakes! Other than the braking issue...there is quite a difference between it and the Twenty that I have been riding. Much faster...tho couldn't go too fast because of the whole brakes issue...also I really didn't feel much of the bumps and curbs. This trail is mostly gravel but does go through a subdivision at one point, which had a ripped up street. There is also a section of grass and mud. It's kind of like driving my parent's old Buick LaCrosse. The handlebars seem a bit narrow to me and I will definitely have to get used to the front wheel having a limited turn radius. But it is a cool bike. It spent most of it's life outdoors, I think, and is much rusted but a tough cookie. Probably will have to change the gear for the hills sometime.

redfoxdogs 11-18-15 05:31 PM

Oh...and when I got the seat as high as I needed it to be, the handlebars were on the low side for me. Not what you see in the old pictures. Maybe those women were shorter than 5'7.5"????

gna 11-18-15 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by IronDan (Post 18323418)
Here's a better pic of my old triumph showing the original seat and one of the frame number, any ideas on age? The hub is stamped 1964
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=488447
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=488448

Your bike is a bit of a puzzle. Triumphs were made in Coventry until Raleigh absorbed them in 1954. As your headbadge says "Nottingham" I think it's safe to say it's post '54.

Looking at Kurt's Headbadge site, it looks like an early '50s bike:
Raleigh Serial Numbers & Charts

The decals look late '50s to me.

But your hub is a '64. I'm inclined to think the rear wheel is a later replacement.

IronDan 11-19-15 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 18329215)
Your bike is a bit of a puzzle. Triumphs were made in Coventry until Raleigh absorbed them in 1954. As your headbadge says "Nottingham" I think it's safe to say it's post '54.

Looking at Kurt's Headbadge site, it looks like an early '50s bike:
Raleigh Serial Numbers & Charts

The decals look late '50s to me.

But your hub is a '64. I'm inclined to think the rear wheel is a later replacement.

Yes I'm thinking late fifties and I've got a theory on the hub, My theory is that when it was new it had an unreliable SW hub which was replaced in 1964 with an AW hub

Its a nice theory so I'm going with it lol

gna 11-19-15 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by IronDan (Post 18330773)
Yes I'm thinking late fifties and I've got a theory on the hub, My theory is that when it was new it had an unreliable SW hub which was replaced in 1964 with an AW hub

Its a nice theory so I'm going with it lol

Works for me. Mark Stonich, aka "Bikesmith," of cotter press fame, says SW stands for "seldom works," and AW stands for "always works."

dweenk 11-19-15 01:30 PM

I have a Frankenbike build under way (full disclosure - it will be entered in Velo Cheapo and then donated to a shelter). The frame was built for 27" wheels, but I have put 26" wheels on it with a Sturmey Archer SC3 hub. I lack a shifter for the hub, but I do have a Shimano "Click Stick" top tube mount shifter that I could use.

My question is - does the Shimano shifter pull the correct amount of cable to shift the Sturmey Archer hub?

noglider 11-19-15 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 18331121)
My question is - does the Shimano shifter pull the correct amount of cable to shift the Sturmey Archer hub?

No. But I have one or two SA shifters.

BigChief 11-19-15 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by redfoxdogs (Post 18328971)
Oh...and when I got the seat as high as I needed it to be, the handlebars were on the low side for me. Not what you see in the old pictures. Maybe those women were shorter than 5'7.5"????

I live out in the country too. Lots of dirt roads and lumpy if they are paved. My DL-1 handles these well. I geared mine down with a 22T cog and replaced the chain. The new chain needed 112 links to fit the new cog.

Velocivixen 11-22-15 03:15 PM

Raleigh Twenty is back from the powder coaters. I told them to mask the thimbles, but they didn't, so the thimbles are now covered. Oh well. The only shimmer clear coat they offered, without a big extra fee, has a bluish silver sparkle in it. Not my favorite, but that's the way it is. Was able to use a different Raleigh heron crank that has good chrome on both crank arms and is a 46t vs 44t chainring. Swapped out the black B17 for an Antique Brown Special, and reinstalled the original grips. With the rear brake stay added at a lower height (the plate was removed), the braking is good.

Hard to get a good sense of the color via camera, so here are several in different light to get the idea. It's in "the spirit" of a Raleigh color of the time.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/709/2...0a5e069b_z.jpgSun Image of R20 New Color by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/2...5b11b8ae_z.jpgR20 Powder Coat Flash by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/602/2...d233739d_z.jpgR20 Brown Brooks Special by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5776/...65924844_z.jpgR20 Shade New Powder Coat by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/569/2...aae6d049_z.jpgR20 Powder Coat in Light by velocivixen, on Flickr

michaelz28 11-22-15 03:21 PM

that looks nice !

3speedslow 11-22-15 03:29 PM

I like it VV ! Done an errand on it yet ?

arex 11-22-15 03:46 PM

That's BS. a good powdercoater would've masked the thimbles or popped them out.

Shp4man 11-22-15 04:01 PM

Nice color! :thumb:

dweenk 11-22-15 04:07 PM

Nice looking 20 VV.

Shp4man 11-22-15 04:09 PM

I thought about posting my old Bridgestone ten speed here but it's not British and it's not Sturmey Archer. Same type of bike though.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...2/SAM_0232.JPG

Velocivixen 11-22-15 04:40 PM

@arex - I hear you. I could have demanded that they re-do the fork, but it's not worth the energy for me. It's fine. I started prying the thimbles out, but just decided to have them mask it.
@3speedslow - I've ridden it around the neighborhood and a regular dog walker in the park asked about it. He got a brief history on the Raleigh Twenty!

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'll eventually get the decals from VeloCals and it will be finished. Likely get some Planet Bike or SKS 20" fenders for it also. I have kept all of the original components. They're in a cardboard box labeled "The Box" in the garage. :thumb:

I have another little project that I just finished and will post it later today. It's a 3 speed that FITS! All original, one owner.

Velocivixen 11-22-15 06:40 PM

Ended up with a one owner, 1978 Raleigh Sports 19" Silver with blue headtube & seat tube panel. Don't think it ever had maintenance, so needed big cleanup. I did the usual repacking of both wheel hubs, bottom bracket & headset. Replaced brake cables/housings/pads and kept but cleaned cable for shifter. Needed new tubes and tires and a new chain. Has a Swedish Trygg dual leg kickstand which is nice and interesting.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/687/2...1b1789da_z.jpg1978 Raleigh Sports Profile by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5635/...4a3d61ac_z.jpgRaleigh Sports by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/709/2...75d47729_z.jpg'78 Raleigh Sports Silver by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5702/...65aee9a7_z.jpgTrygg Swedish Kickstand by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5668/...0e9d8c26_z.jpg1978 Raleigh Sport by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/603/2...69f025ea_z.jpgCat eye RR-950 Vintage Reflector by velocivixen, on Flickr


The rear Cateye RR-950 reflector lens is damaged so if you've got one you want to sell please pm me.

I've only ever ridden 21" three-speeds and while comfy I felt like I was "on" the bike not really meshed in "with" the bike. This 19" bike just feels natural, like I'm not even thinking about fit - just riding along. I will keep the steel wheels - the chrome is nice.

BigChief 11-22-15 08:20 PM

What a beauty. Love the silver with blue accents, very elegant. I agree about the special section rims. They add to the overall classyness of the Sport. I have them on my 69 Sprite and wouldn't think of changing them.

noglider 11-22-15 09:15 PM

I love your Twenty. What headset does it have, the plastic thing at the top or a real ball bearing?

Nice Sports, too. I was a shop mechanic in 1978 through 1984, and I sold some of those Sportses.

michaelz28 11-22-15 10:15 PM

i got this for my wife .. low profile like your nice sports . http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...psy8gcpyak.jpg

Velocivixen 11-22-15 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18338691)
I love your Twenty. What headset does it have, the plastic thing at the top or a real ball bearing?

Nice Sports, too. I was a shop mechanic in 1978 through 1984, and I sold some of those Sportses.

I bought an Origin8 sealed bearing headset and took the nylon bushing piece out. So just the top nut used to preload then tighten the stem with the handle piece. I really like the brown saddle with this green - in person a nice, rich, subtle look. It's interesting trying to balance the classic original bits with the new modern items, hopefully with a classic aesthetic.

Yeah, the silver with blue seems to be less common I guess, however the Raleigh green and coffee are my favorites. The owner said she specifically chose the silver because it was different. Wonder if there was more than one Raleigh dealer in Chicago 37 years ago?

Can't find anything about Trygg kickstand made in Sweden. Spent a bit of time looking online to see if the company existed, or if it was a town or what else they may have made.

@michaelz28 - how does she like the ride of it?

Sixty Fiver 11-23-15 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18338046)
Raleigh Twenty is back from the powder coaters. I told them to mask the thimbles, but they didn't, so the thimbles are now covered. Oh well. The only shimmer clear coat they offered, without a big extra fee, has a bluish silver sparkle in it. Not my favorite, but that's the way it is. Was able to use a different Raleigh heron crank that has good chrome on both crank arms and is a 46t vs 44t chainring. Swapped out the black B17 for an Antique Brown Special, and reinstalled the original grips. With the rear brake stay added at a lower height (the plate was removed), the braking is good.

Hard to get a good sense of the color via camera, so here are several in different light to get the idea. It's in "the spirit" of a Raleigh color of the time.

Sweet !

Salubrious 11-23-15 11:44 AM

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Yesterday was the first day I was able to ride my Bates project, which I think I started nearly a year ago. The frame is one of the first to be built after Bates moved to Westcliff on Sea.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=489915

This frame employs the Diadrant fork and Reynolds Cantiflex 531 tubing. I was interested in how a Clubman with high end components of the era might perform. So that is how it is set up. Here's a close up of the GB handlebars:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=489916
The stem is a pre-war girder-style Reynolds Hiduminium which is fairly tall.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=489917

The crank is an Allez, which is the marque that Holdsworth used for their after-market line. They made the same crank for their machines. The red anodizing is how it was built in the 1950s! The chainwheel has 46 teeth. Lyotard 460 pedals are employed and would have been a common high end pedal of the day- this model was in production from the 1930s until well into the 1970s.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=489918
The hub is an alloy body FW (4-speed) set up with GB wingnuts- a typical high end installation of the period. Equipped with the Brooks Pro saddle, the weight of the bike is just slightly under 23 pounds. The ride is sprightly! Although the gear inches value is slightly higher than on my Raleigh 3-speed (and only on account of the 27" rims), in practice it feels like high gear is not high enough. So I plan to change out the 22T rear sprocket to a 20 or 21 and see how that works.

noglider 11-23-15 11:47 AM

@Salubrious, that's pretty special. How is the ride?

Velocivixen 11-23-15 11:52 AM

Such a beautiful and interesting bike. How did you find it? I have never heard of this brand. I learn something new every day.


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