New bike question
I am having a new custom touring bike built and I am debating on which type of bars to use, drop or alternative bars? My current bike is a Rivendell Atlantis with noodle drop bars. I commute everyday on this setup and I have done multiple longs tours with no real issues. However I am getting older and I recently started having issues with my neck and shoulders. I have thought about converting the Atlantis to an alternative bar that would provide a more upright position. Any suggestions?
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I'm in my 50s and built up my touring bike about three years ago. I used drop bars for around 30 years and initially put them on my touring bike but I wasn't comfortable. Bike was a little to long for me with drop bars. Tried flat bars with bar ends, and ended up with butterfly bars. These allow the most positions and my default position of the outside edges is the most comfortable so far. On a tour its really nice to be able to get more upright.
There are a couple drawbacks. Due to the way these mount, if I am on rough terrain and need to have my hands near the brake levers, my hands are actually behind the steer tube and the handling is terrible. I suppose you could move the brake levers to the sides or top. The other thing is that I do sometimes wish i could get into the drop position to stretch a little and get more aerodynamic, especially when riding into a headwind. Keep in mind that different bars will drastically alter the reach and your riding position. A couple other things that really improved my comfort were raising the bars (my soma saga has an extra long steer tube) and lowering the seat slightly. Lower seat was more of a back pain issue and as i got fitter and more flexible it started to come up a bit. |
Koga Denham bars for sure. I wish they had existed when I built up my Co-Motion, I absolutely love them and would agree with Alee they are excellent for touring though most of my riding has been commuting and some longer rides but not so much with a lot of gear. I have plenty of drop bar bikes but I am finding I like a more upright position these days and I don't dislike my drops but I don't really use the actual drops that much but the hoods yeah and the Denham extensions are basically in my hood position.
Obviously the Koga's are hard to get in the U.S. but no fear Velo Orange is here with the new Crazy Bars. The original V1 Crazy Bars are what Alee based his Denham bars on and now VO is basing their V2 Crazy Bars on the Denham bars it is excellent. I would of course talk with your builder and mention these concerns before they start brazing or welding or moulding or however they are joining the tubes or creating the frame and they might also have ideas and your bar choice could influence the geometry a bit. |
I've tried "L" shaped bare ends and they worked well, but still didn't like the straight flat bars, the went to butterfly bars and did not like how close they were. Now, mounted Surly Moloko. So far, so good
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717633)
I am having a new custom touring bike built.......recently started having issues with my neck and shoulders
Any suggestions? |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 22717715)
Koga Denham bars for sure. I wish they had existed when I built up my Co-Motion, I absolutely love them and would agree with Alee they are excellent for touring though most of my riding has been commuting and some longer rides but not so much with a lot of gear. I have plenty of drop bar bikes but I am finding I like a more upright position these days and I don't dislike my drops but I don't really use the actual drops that much but the hoods yeah and the Denham extensions are basically in my hood position.
Obviously the Koga's are hard to get in the U.S. but no fear Velo Orange is here with the new Crazy Bars. The original V1 Crazy Bars are what Alee based his Denham bars on and now VO is basing their V2 Crazy Bars on the Denham bars it is excellent. I would of course talk with your builder and mention these concerns before they start brazing or welding or moulding or however they are joining the tubes or creating the frame and they might also have ideas and your bar choice could influence the geometry a bit. |
Originally Posted by saddlesores
(Post 22717745)
yes. experiment with new bar types on your current bike before you build a custom frame or buy components that may not work well with the bars you eventually go with.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717931)
Good suggestion and that is part of the plan. I just wish the Atlantis had a threadless stem to make swapping bars easier. I did throw a Jones bar on my Salsa El Mariachi just to see how they feel.
Profile Design Threadless Size Converter (1" - 1 1/8")https://www.amazon.com/Profile-Design-Threadless-Size-Converter/dp/B0028N14GQquill-to-threadless converter + threadless stem and go wild. |
I wouldn't change out drop bars on a new bike because I'm getting stiff, especially a custom bike. I'd look at longer head tubes and stem swaps to get the bars where I needed them first.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717926)
The Denham bars looks very interesting and Alee has a whole lot of miles on them. I like that they don't have as much sweep as the Jones bars. I like my drop bars but rarely ever use the drops. Most of my time is spent just behind the hoods and on the flats. The new bike is going to have a 18spd Pinion drive and the builder said re-cabling a Pinion bike is a pain, so swapping handlebars won't be as easy.
If you want to really do it nicely I would skip the extra stems and go to the Innicycle headset for the Riv. Having installed one and seen it I really like it, it truly works well and looks right and allows you to have a standard steerer tube but keep the old threaded fork but isn't just another quill stem without the handlebar holding. If they still make it the FactoryFive Titan stem that would also be a good option as it looks clean and can use 31.8 bars. |
Ah, we age. My last build used Soma Condor 2 handlebars. They have a rise, which gets them higher, although that's not why I used them - I mean, if all you want is high bars, they offer absolute giraffe-necked stems these days. I like the Condor 2s for their very shallow drops. No more riding on the tops and hoods only - I can ride in the drops for long stretches again, providing a different body position and some modest aero gain.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da9578f73.jpeg |
Originally Posted by pdlamb
(Post 22718076)
I wouldn't change out drop bars on a new bike because I'm getting stiff, especially a custom bike. I'd look at longer head tubes and stem swaps to get the bars where I needed them first.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717931)
I just wish the Atlantis had a threadless stem to make swapping bars easier.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57f492f83a.png |
Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717633)
I am having a new custom touring bike built and I am debating on which type of bars to use, drop or alternative bars? My current bike is a Rivendell Atlantis with noodle drop bars. I commute everyday on this setup and I have done multiple longs tours with no real issues. However I am getting older and I recently started having issues with my neck and shoulders. I have thought about converting the Atlantis to an alternative bar that would provide a more upright position. Any suggestions?
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I turn 69 next month. I find that raising my bars about 10 to 20mm over the past decade to be all the adjustment I needed.
I can't imagine pushing into a strong headwind without using the drops on drop bars. A friend of mine never used the drops, he switched to bullhorn bars, as far as posture and feel, they are quite similar to riding on the hoods with drop bars. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...73ca2dfb01.jpg |
Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717931)
Good suggestion and that is part of the plan. I just wish the Atlantis had a threadless stem to make swapping bars easier. I did throw a Jones bar on my Salsa El Mariachi just to see how they feel.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717931)
Good suggestion and that is part of the plan. I just wish the Atlantis had a threadless stem to make swapping bars easier. I did throw a Jones bar on my Salsa El Mariachi just to see how they feel.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22717931)
Good suggestion and that is part of the plan. I just wish the Atlantis had a threadless stem to make swapping bars easier. I did throw a Jones bar on my Salsa El Mariachi just to see how they feel.
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Appreciate all the feedback. I would say drop bars are my default preference. That is what I am used to and overall I think they do look better. I will have to work with the builder to ensure the reach and height of the bars are where they need to be at.
I did get the Jones Bars installed on my Salsa El Mariachi and my first impression is that it is definitely different. I am not sure about the 45 degree sweep. They do get the bars up higher and I like that. I will have ride on them a little more before I can come to a solid opinion. |
DNR but the type of bars should not necessarily dictate whether you are more upright. You can set up either type of bars to be the appropriate height to provide upright position.
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Originally Posted by PedalingWalrus
(Post 22719020)
DNR but the type of bars should not necessarily dictate whether you are more upright. You can set up either type of bars to be the appropriate height to provide upright position.
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Originally Posted by frogshawn
(Post 22720189)
Great point. I talked to the builder and he said he could get the bars wherever I wanted regardless of the bar types. Thanks
In the photo I am using a 17 degree stem, it does not look too obnoxiously high when I used it in the horizontal orientation. And I can raise the bars a lot higher later if I want to. This photo is about a decade old. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7c4c4122ed.jpg Thr above photo is about a decade old, I have the bars about an inch higher and about 10mm less reach now. A more recent photo below. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6bb7caf3d4.jpg Side note - if you plan to use a handlebar bag, you can lower it with a send stem the way that I did in the second photo. |
Originally Posted by PedalingWalrus
(Post 22719020)
DNR but the type of bars should not necessarily dictate whether you are more upright. You can set up either type of bars to be the appropriate height to provide upright position.
My retired mountain bike had its flat bars positioned an inch or so below the saddle with a long stem. My current touring/gravel bike pictured below has drop bars with the tops and hoods 2 inches above the saddle with a short stem. Keep in mind that the lower "drop" is just a once in a while position for ducking a headwind or for stability on a fast descent. Most of my riding is up high on the hoods or at the ramp section approaching the hoods. With cross-top brake levers I often do steep descents from the tops. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8e8df67eb.jpg Bruce Gordon Rock & Road with quill > threadless adapter |
I am 65 yesterday and i switched from drops to the Denham bar this summer before going touring on some BC railtrails which can have very mixed surfaces. I am totally happy with my choice. The Denham bars gave me much more control on the gravel and sandy spots. I thought i would miss my bar end shifters but found the trigger shifters to be very capable. Just switched my wifes tourer to Denham bars this week.
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Originally Posted by garryg
(Post 22720450)
I am 65 yesterday and i switched from drops to the Denham bar this summer before going touring on some BC railtrails which can have very mixed surfaces. I am totally happy with my choice. The Denham bars gave me much more control on the gravel and sandy spots. I thought i would miss my bar end shifters but found the trigger shifters to be very capable. Just switched my wifes tourer to Denham bars this week.
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