Shimano free hub with campy?
Ok maybe someone here can remind me...
I have a brand new set of I9 wheels with torch hubs that I was going to use as my spare set for the speedvagen. COVID has put the brakes on my circa 1992 de Rosa rehab. I’m wondering if I can use a 9 or 10spd shimano cassette with a mid-late ‘90’s campy group or do I need to get the campy free hub for the wheels and swap out? thanks as always! |
The spacing is different. I put a 10s Campagnolo wheel on my 10s Shimano bike and it works in a few gears but it's noisy and shifts like crap.
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Shimano and Campagnolo 11spd cassettes are interchangeable, but 8-9-10 cassettes are not.
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I have run Campag Mirage/Chorus 8spd shifters/derailleurs with shimano 8 spd cassette and kmc 9 speed chain and it worked fine. The key is to index to a middle gear (ie, the 17 or 19 on my 13-26 8spd setup) and that will split the difference in the cog spacing at either end of the shifting. Iirc the difference between Shimano and Campag 8 speed cassettes is 1.6mm in width, so by indexing to the middle, the outer gears are within about 0.8mm of alignment, which is good enough to get around. 9 and 10 speed may have tighter tolerances that would make it harder to get this right.
If you have shimano wheels knocking around, I would use this approach first, and check if the shifting meets your approval, before going out and buying a set of campag-ready wheels, which might be hard to find and expensive. |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21785401)
Shimano and Campagnolo 11spd cassettes are interchangeable, but 8-9-10 cassettes are not.
Originally Posted by Leinster
(Post 21785705)
I have run Campag Mirage/Chorus 8spd shifters/derailleurs with shimano 8 spd cassette and kmc 9 speed chain and it worked fine. The key is to index to a middle gear (ie, the 17 or 19 on my 13-26 8spd setup) and that will split the difference in the cog spacing at either end of the shifting. Iirc the difference between Shimano and Campag 8 speed cassettes is 1.6mm in width, so by indexing to the middle, the outer gears are within about 0.8mm of alignment, which is good enough to get around. 9 and 10 speed may have tighter tolerances that would make it harder to get this right.
If you have shimano wheels knocking around, I would use this approach first, and check if the shifting meets your approval, before going out and buying a set of campag-ready wheels, which might be hard to find and expensive. I was planning to get a set of wheels for the DeRosa rehab but now that funds are a little tighter I decided to use these wheels on the bike and convert to Campy. thanks again folks! |
Originally Posted by robbyville
(Post 21786270)
Interesting, thanks so much! Chances are I'll be going 10 speed so that pretty much covers it.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21786281)
If you can source an Campagnolo I-9 freehub body, you should be good to go. 9-10-11 Campagnolo all uses the same freehub body.
We shall see! |
Nice update, as always amazing customer service from Industry Nine. They responded that they'd be happy to swap out the freehub, sending me the campy one today, and then I'll send the Shimano one back for a full credit (minus shipping). Very cool. I love their hubs, 4th set of wheels with them, very happy with the service.
So now my circa 1990-'92 DeRosa will have a mid '90's Campy group along with a set of Industry Nine I25's wheels set up tubeless of course! |
Originally Posted by robbyville
(Post 21789276)
Nice update, as always amazing customer service from Industry Nine. They responded that they'd be happy to swap out the freehub, sending me the campy one today, and then I'll send the Shimano one back for a full credit (minus shipping). Very cool. I love their hubs, 4th set of wheels with them, very happy with the service.
So now my circa 1990-'92 DeRosa will have a mid '90's Campy group along with a set of Industry Nine I25's wheels set up tubeless of course! I love high end restomod bikes. If the frameset is cherry, a modern wheelset looks sexy. |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21789296)
nice.
I love high end restomod bikes. If the frameset is cherry, a modern wheelset looks sexy. |
OP: You have a Speedvagen, and didn't post a photo in this thread? For shame!
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OP: There is this.. but it ain't inexpensive:
https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/...earch=cassette |
Originally Posted by Sy Reene
(Post 21789983)
OP: There is this.. but it ain't inexpensive:
https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/...earch=cassette |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21790079)
and the gear choices suck.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
(Post 21790137)
That's even worse than the horrible Campy 12 cassettes.
Gravel riders more likely to find appeal I suppose if they're on a 2x setup. I do find it also curious to see an 11 speed version, when most folks say that Shimano/Campy spacing is already the same. |
Originally Posted by Sy Reene
(Post 21790144)
Yeah, not much to choose from. Gotta wonder why they chose just those 2 combos to stock, or maybe in the past there were more options?
Gravel riders more likely to find appeal I suppose if they're on a 2x setup. I do find it also curious to see an 11 speed version, when most folks say that Shimano/Campy spacing is already the same. |
Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 21789646)
OP: You have a Speedvagen, and didn't post a photo in this thread? For shame!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8052b6814.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3bd48fc1.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66abd06e5.jpeg |
Originally Posted by robbyville
(Post 21790998)
it’s been posted in this forum quite a few times, I am quite proud of it and is my daily ride (and only ride other than when the deRosa is finished. Here you go!
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Originally Posted by robbyville
(Post 21790998)
it’s been posted in this forum quite a few times, I am quite proud of it and is my daily ride (and only ride other than when the deRosa is finished. Here you go!
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21791092)
did the creaking stop after replacing the wheel bearings?
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Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 21791125)
Nice! I like that paint job.
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Another option is a J-Tek Shiftmate. I am going to try it on one of my bikes running Campy 10 with a Shimano cassette.
Swapping the freehub is good, but not sure I can on this particular wheel. |
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