Desperately seeking 10x1x130mm axle for 80's Sunshine/Sansin 5 speed road hub
Would buy complete hub just for axle, but cannot find exact replacement, 36H, 120mm OLD.
I'm at the point of fantasizing about welding/or brazing the broken axle back together. |
I don't know how you measured, so I suspect you want either a 131mm axle for a 120 hub spacing, or a 141mm axle for 130mm spacing. The general rule is axles are 11mm (5.5per side) longer than the hub spacing measured lock nut to lock nut.
FWIW - 131 and 141mm axles are very common so once you use the right search criteria you'll be in like Flint. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693576)
Would buy complete hub just for axle, but cannot find exact replacement, 36H, 120mm ODL.
I'm at the point of fantasizing about welding/or brazing the broken axle back together. |
It's near impossible to log on this site, the computer generated passwords are deemed invalid, over and over and over again.
Trying to post in response sent me back down the same rabbit hole of password resets again. Yes, 131mm axle for 120mm ODL, near unobtainium. |
Our local Co-op has a tray with several dozen 10 x 1 x 145mm threaded rear hub axles. When I require something shorter, I take one of these ($2) parts and with a (metal) hacksaw blade cut them down to size. Takes less than 5 minutes.
Make sure you thread one of the cones onto the side you want to cut before the cutting. Immobilize the axle with a bench vice, and cut away. Then file the end of the axle smooth. Next, unwind the cone, which serves to chase the mangled threads on the cut side. Then do a light filing to finish. Make sure the side you cut has enough threads for the cones, spacers, locknuts etc. |
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
(Post 22693620)
When I require something shorter, I take one of these ($2) parts and with a (metal) hacksaw blade cut them down to size.
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Some things make me feel so old. Stuff I bought new and still ride is now apparently "vintage" and commanding outrageous prices.
Apparently 10mm steel axles are now in that category. As suggested, consider buying a longer one and cutting it down. I suggest double checking the thread length by assembling into the hub as if installing it before deciding which end (or both) to cut. Otherwise, if there's a long established shop or co-op in your community, go there first. They might not have an axle, but likely have an old wheel or hub collecting dust that they can sell for less than the price of an axle |
Here you go...
https://www.loosescrews.com/product/...le-10x1x131mm/ John Edit added: Or if you prefer ebay.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/22510271159...Bk9SR4Toz_mDYQ |
Why do I lose all my text having to log in every time I try to submit a post, demoralizing, I don't type well or easily.
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The problem I have with the aftermarket axle is lack of keyways for the slotted washers.
I'd prefer to use keyed washers, but the likelihood of slotting an axle seems iffy. The aftermarket axle I have here has very short slots, just on the outside and my races seat quite far in, narrow hubs. My old races don't jive with the threads on the new axle, if only I have a tap/die in this size, maybe I could make it work by rethreading the cones. Weirdly enough, the locknuts spin on just fine, but the races/cones no go. Murphy was an optimist. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693703)
Why do I lose all my text having to log in every time I try to submit a post, demoralizing, I don't type well or easily.
Not sure that will fix it. John |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693714)
The problem I have with the aftermarket axle is lack of keyways for the slotted washers.
I'd prefer to use keyed washers, but the likelihood of slotting an axle seems iffy. The aftermarket axle I have here has very short slots, just on the outside and my races seat quite far in, narrow hubs. My old races don't jive with the threads on the new axle, if only I have a tap/die in this size, maybe I could make it work by rethreading the cones. Weirdly enough, the locknuts spin on just fine, but the races/cones no go. Murphy was an optimist. John |
Trying to buy the axle, PPal won't work from the site, it's like a conspiracy...
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Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693714)
My old races don't jive with the threads on the new axle, if only I have a tap/die in this size, maybe I could make it work by rethreading the cones.
Weirdly enough, the locknuts spin on just fine, but the races/cones no go. . I think I have a Sunshine high-flange rear 5 sp hub in one of my parts boxes. I'll look. |
I remembered that Loose Screws also sells on ebay. After you determine if it is 10mm or 3/8", here is the listing...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26462897655...3ABFBMwMaegIRh John |
Originally Posted by grumpus
(Post 22693634)
Good axles are quite hard.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
(Post 22693620)
Our local Co-op has a tray with several dozen 10 x 1 x 145mm threaded rear hub axles. When I require something shorter, I take one of these ($2) parts and with a (metal) hacksaw blade cut them down to size. Takes less than 5 minutes.
Make sure you thread one of the cones onto the side you want to cut before the cutting. Immobilize the axle with a bench vice, and cut away. Then file the end of the axle smooth. Next, unwind the cone, which serves to chase the mangled threads on the cut side. Then do a light filing to finish. Make sure the side you cut has enough threads for the cones, spacers, locknuts etc. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693735)
Trying to buy the axle, PPal won't work from the site, it's like a conspiracy...
I doubt there is any conspiracy however tech issues are very real. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693714)
...if only I have a tap/die in this size, maybe I could make it work by rethreading the cones...
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost
(Post 22693750)
Are you sure that you have a 10 x 1mm axle? There is some chance that it could be 3/8" x 26 tpi. They are pretty close and some folks have attempted to force an incorrect cone or nut onto them. Have you measured?............
10mm is .394" vs .375" for 3/8". ISTR that cones from one will screw on to the other, but not the opposite way? A 3/8"x 24 (SAE) bolt screws into a 10mm x1mm nut no problem, but not the other way. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4add2fe61b.jpg |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693703)
Why do I lose all my text having to log in every time I try to submit a post, demoralizing, I don't type well or easily.
Note, for the first 2 days you can only do 5 posts a day. I usually only have to log in once every few months. The system is pretty good at remembering me on my PC, or phone. As mentioned above, I always click "Remember Me" when logging in. Be careful of the caps-lock, and be careful of how you enter your password. Write it down if necessary. |
Originally Posted by grumpus
(Post 22693634)
Good axles are quite hard. I have an angle grinder holder that turns the grinder into a mini chop saw for a square cut. I use a slitting disc to slice the end off, then chamfer it on the bench grinder.
I have a little diamond disc from a chainsaw sharpener at Harbor Freight. I find it handy to polish the ends of cuts like I would get on an axle, or cutting cable housing. Or polishing tips of tools. It has been quite handy. Unfortunately I don't have a tool rest with it, but may make one sometime. |
It's been rough living with the imposed 5 posts in 24 hours but the info here makes it worth it.
I did find out that the axle the bike shop sold me is 3/8" x 26TPI, courtesy of my thread gauge. I have the Shimano one on the way from LooseScrews off eBay. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22693703)
Why do I lose all my text having to log in every time I try to submit a post, demoralizing, I don't type well or easily.
submit reply and then wipes out your post. If the back arrow doesn't recover (usually not) you can take the simple precaution of highlighting your post and doing a copy with Control C and paste when you log back in. This happens to me when I google something to check a fact or info mid post. |
Originally Posted by McCycle
(Post 22695156)
It's been rough living with the imposed 5 posts in 24 hours but the info here makes it worth it.
I did find out that the axle the bike shop sold me is 3/8" x 26TPI, courtesy of my thread gauge. I have the Shimano one on the way from LooseScrews off eBay. FWIW: the 5 post daily limit for new members (and 10 post limit for posting links/photos, send/receive PMs, probably a few other things) isn't there to "harass new members" - it's there to keep spammers at bay. You're most of the way towards being able to do those things. Please do let us know how things turn out with your issue. One thing many people who solicit advice don't do is "close the loop" after fixing their problem. It helps to know what did and didn't work - posting that may help someone else solve the same or a similar problem. |
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