Will Human Power Cycling Sunset?
I do not have a crystal ball.
I do not have visions. I do not see a lot of kids on bicycles. I do see 20 somethings riding electric bicycles and electric scooters. Transportation is moving toward electrification. Are we a dying breed? fat biker |
No, because self powered cycling is too much fun. The steam engine did not end sailing, just sailing as bulk transport.
That being said, I'm in a big city where lots of people never drive. Still plenty of kids riding. Totally different than the burbs and rural living, where a car is a necessity. |
Originally Posted by fat biker
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I do not have visions.
Originally Posted by phedge
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Fortunately, I do.
for a century or so. The point of our extinction, is beyond the horizon. |
Ebikes gonna die out once we start getting all the e-motorcycles from China. All the actual bikers will remain as the nutech **** move on to the next cool thing.
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Originally Posted by DonkeyShow
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Ebikes gonna die out once we start getting all the e-motorcycles from China. All the actual bikers will remain as the nutech **** move on to the next cool thing.
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What I see are bicyclists who ride trails and hills and bicyclists who use bikes for transportation. I could imagine the electric bikes to be becoming more popular for transportation.
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No I expect pedal-powered bicycles to remain a 'thing.' Most e-bikes I see in my area are ridden by minors, usually to-and-from school. I theorize their parents bought them e-bikes for that purpose and they will be abandoned once the kids get their drivers licenses. I see a few adult riders on e-bikes, but they only appear to be out for a little fresh air, nothing athletic involved.
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As a form of “transportation”…it may fade, but it won’t go away completely. Compare it to sailing. Before steamships, and then once they evolved. People still sail…mostly for recreation. But it never went away completely. But separate from “transportation”…as a form of “fitness”…it will last forever.
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I think the generation of kids growing up now will have highly developed thumb muscles, from pressing keys on their phones and video game controllers.
The rest of them will be mush. p.s.: Get off my lawn. :50: |
I think e-bikes are taking a percentage of riders away from human powered bicycling. Many other e-bike riders would have never ridden bicycles.
I know the road clubs which I ride with are getting smaller for various reasons. |
"Purpose" is the key word. For what purpose does one grab a bike? Different tools for different missions, whether exercise or cargo delivery or whatever.
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Originally Posted by fat biker
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I do not have a crystal ball.
I do not have visions. I do not see a lot of kids on bicycles. I do see 20 somethings riding electric bicycles and electric scooters. Transportation is moving toward electrification. Are we a dying breed? fat biker Younger, serious cyclists (those that self-identify as such) will likely continue to ride bicycles. A good percentage of older, serious cyclists will ride ebikes (the lighter kind more comparable to a bicycle), others will go on with bicycles. Less serious cyclists of all ages will ride ebikes if they can afford them. These will be the hybrid or cargo type ... more comparable to a mini-bike with pedals. There will be more of these, as they are going to be intrigued by the technology, and let's face it ... it's easier to ride them and convenience is king to most people. Do I think it will be a transportation revolution? We can always hope, but I doubt it. I think it will run it's course just like the bike boom in the 70s, with a lot of ebikes ending up mostly unused and in people's garages. |
Those of us still riding real bicycles will become a smaller and smaller percentage of users of transportation infrastructure. In this age of miss-information, many folks think an electric bike is the same as a real bicycle and serves the same purpose. Why pedal when you can coast. Also many ebikers don't trust themselves sharing the road with cars so I doubt that they will transition to more powerful motorcycles. I'm pretty sure that most electric car owners switched from ICEs for the convenience: they don't want to stop for gas. The same people dond't want to pedal or sweat.
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Didja's raise this much dust when 5sp manual transmissions were being intubated in car dealerships all over the land? How is it that the evolution of bicycles causes so much emotional response in the country with the least active cyclists of any developed country? I don't know and don't care who will or won't ride a 'real' bike 20 years from now. There will always be 'real' bicycles for ONE very inelastic reason: they will always be cheaper. Lots cheaper.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
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Didja's raise this much dust when 5sp manual transmissions were being intubated in car dealerships all over the land? How is it that the evolution of bicycles causes so much emotional response in the country with the least active cyclists of any developed country? I don't know and don't care who will or won't ride a 'real' bike 20 years from now. There will always be 'real' bicycles for ONE very inelastic reason: they will always be cheaper. Lots cheaper.
I would dispute that ebikes are the evolution of the bicycle. Adding a motor makes them a completely different conveyance, just as it did when motorcycles made their appearance. IMHO, there are bicycles, ebikes and motorcycles. And ebike is not a bicycle, as it has a motor, and it is not a motorcycle, as it requires pedaling (I would consider the throttle controlled variants as electric motorcycles). |
I'm a tell ye what's gone happen. They got these new-fangled thangs nowadays called auto-mobiles and moto-sickles. Ain't nobody gone ride no doggone bikes no mores once them thangs catch on. You jest mark my words.
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Originally Posted by Biker395
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Do I think it will be a transportation revolution? We can always hope, but I doubt it. I think it will run it's course just like the bike boom in the 70s, with a lot of ebikes ending up mostly unused and
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I don't see those of us that are adrenaline junkies moving to e-bikes. Unless maybe it's to keep up with our younger friends as we get in our twilight years. As mentioned by others, most of those that are getting e-bikes probably would never have gotten a regular bike in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
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I don't see those of us that are adrenaline junkies moving to e-bikes.
To your other point, several older people I know have purchased e-road bikes. Two of them due to physical problems and others just because they don't feel like working so hard anymore. I am a candidate for a road e-bike because I can't keep up with my speedier friends. I never could, it just kicks my ass more than before. |
Originally Posted by big john
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There is a group of young men who frequent the rough sandstone hills near here. These e-bike Mad Max looking characters wear body armor and full face helmets. I've been warned to avoid them when they are descending. They have long travel bikes with big motors.
However that does bring up the question if their bikes should even be considered e-bikes. At some point when the motor gets beyond a certain size or amperage and the need for pedaling goes away, is it even an e-bike any more or is it simply a motor cycle? Those are things yet to be well addressed by laws and litigation. |
Originally Posted by Iride01
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I guess I should have realized that there are other ways to get a adrenaline rush!
However that does bring up the question if their bikes should even be considered e-bikes. At some point when the motor gets beyond a certain size or amperage and the need for pedaling goes away, is it even an e-bike any more or is it simply a motor cycle? Those are things yet to be well addressed by laws and litigation. I think if they have pedals and are riding in an area where e-bikes are allowed no law enforcement people would question them. On the road there are laws regarding types of bikes, etc,. but I can't see law enforcement pulling a rider over to see if they are on a legal bike. A friend has a Trek e-bike which was sold with a speed limiter, don't remember which number, 21mph or 28mph, but he was able to defeat the limiter and it will power over 40mph. Is it legal? I don't know but I can't imagine where it would ever come up. |
Originally Posted by big john
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A friend has a Trek e-bike which was sold with a speed limiter, don't remember which number, 21mph or 28mph, but he was able to defeat the limiter and it will power over 40mph. Is it legal? I don't know but I can't imagine where it would ever come up.
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Originally Posted by BTinNYC
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...The steam engine did not end sailing, just sailing as bulk transport...
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Seems like yet another variation of the millennium old "kids these days" diatribe.
Stuff changes, people adapt. I think personal mobility devices will have a far bigger impact on automobile usage than bicycle usage. They already are, in many places. A lot of those kids running around on e-bikes aren't displaced cyclists, they are displaced passengers in their mom's SUV. |
Originally Posted by downtube42
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I think personal mobility devices will have a far bigger impact on automobile usage than bicycle usage. They already are, in many places. A lot of those kids running around on e-bikes aren't displaced cyclists, they are displaced passengers in their mom's SUV.
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