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Scipunk 10-16-17 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFishBob (Post 19931784)
Oh do! Please do! ;)

Oh I will no worries :) the planning has begun!
Toughest part is keeping it functional and safe. Should be a fun adventure!

BigChief 10-16-17 06:12 AM

I really like the contoured Sprite stems of the late 60s. Didn't know they used them on Superbes too. Very elegant stem and it's true that even if some things got cheaper, Raleighs had excellent chrome all the way to the end. Too bad they're so rare. You would think all the deluxe models would get them. This stem is older. Not sure how much older. The brake lever on the right is stamped patent too. I'm collecting parts for a project I have in mind. Not sure how historically accurate it will be in the end, but my plan is to recreate a shiny new early post war Sports. This has replaced my previous daydream of building an old fashioned club bike out of a chro-mo framed road bike. I'm at the age now where a more sedate roadster suites me better.
Notice how the braze is filled and ground off at the joint. Nice work. They didn't bother with this step on the later stems.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4449/...ebc6c03f_b.jpgstem02 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4501/...dd1ff0f4_b.jpgbrake01 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

plympton 10-16-17 12:35 PM

Back for a little more help. Yesterday I was able to put in a day on the early 50's Raleigh restoration. The frame, front fender and chain guard are stripped, cleaned and ready. Now I am moving on to the rims. The two rims on this bike are Sturmey Archer (the rims on the 49 are Raleigh) I thought that they were supposed to be Westbrook. So I'm thinking, clean the rims with Coke, soap and water then Oxylic acid (wish I had a 30" round tube) the clean water and dry. Then the buffing wheel, right? So what about the spokes and spoke nuts, just clean and steel wool? What about the axles? I will take them apart and service but should they go in the acid too? I have other parts, like rod brakes and crank and stuff for the acid but I won't be getting to those now. How long can the acid stand?

BigChief 10-16-17 01:25 PM

Westrick is a nickname for this rim pattern. Raleigh designed it so it could be used with either rod or caliper brakes. The official name was special design rims. So, it combines Westwood and Endrick. Sturmey Archer was owned by Raleigh.

plympton 10-16-17 05:17 PM

Seems like I have one of those computers that can't spell.

Scipunk 10-16-17 05:38 PM

Got a nice little package from @clubman :
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4484/...b3249d1d_b.jpgInspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

clubman 10-16-17 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19933867)
Got a nice little package from @clubman :
Inspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

I can't believe they got in there. I need them for this.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ib...=w1185-h888-no

johnnyspaghetti 10-16-17 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19933867)
Got a nice little package from @clubman :Inspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

Your Rakeigh probably had one of this type chain guide originally

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...1600-local0&zw

bazil4696 10-17-17 08:23 AM

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You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

SirMike1983 10-17-17 08:28 AM

Use WD40 or similar with a brass brush and bronze or copper wool on the rims if still laced. Oxalic axid may dissolve the rust-resistant coating on older spokes.

3speedslow 10-17-17 08:32 AM

Old duck here, what's steampunk?

clubman 10-17-17 09:51 AM

Ever see Terry Gilliam's Brazil? Pseudo Victorian/Industrial age fashion movement, usually featuring leather, brass, tattoos with scientific overtones. Google away.

plympton 10-17-17 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19934793)
Use WD40 or similar with a brass brush and bronze or copper wool on the rims if still laced. Oxalic axid may dissolve the rust-resistant coating on older spokes.

Thanks. I am taking the spokes off today. Need to find a toddlers swimming pool to soak the rims in. Only 100% chrome in oxylic acid, I think. Hubs, crank, arms, pedals, rod brake parts, handle bars, fork race parts, etc. Not the spokes but what about the spoke nuts are they chrome?

dweenk 10-17-17 11:07 AM

DL-1 for $125
 
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Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

Scipunk 10-17-17 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19934784)
You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

Yes... yes i do! PM me the info please :D

dweenk 10-17-17 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19935114)
Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

I caved and called the seller. He already had a potential buyer, so I'll have another chance or not on Thursday.

squirtdad 10-17-17 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19934784)
You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

that is very nice

squirtdad 10-17-17 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19934804)
Old duck here, what's steampunk?

steamĚpunk

a genre of science fiction that has a historical setting and typically features steam-powered machinery rather than advanced technology.

a style of design and fashion that combines historical elements with anachronistic technological features inspired by science fiction.
"the essence of steampunk is homage to vintage fashion with a modern, sassy twist"

you see steampunk at thinks like the Make Faire

think lots of victorian brass filagree and details, carbide lamps, etc

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7e6c3a483f.jpg


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SX...srtgdsfgbd.jpg

BigChief 10-17-17 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19935114)
Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

This looks like the 22" frame. Nice roadster. I would have never guessed I would become so fond of these bikes, but most of the miles I ride these days are on my DL1

3speedslow 10-17-17 06:10 PM

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Does anyone know what brake end lead shape these use? I have these which fit but want to know what originally were used.

plympton 10-17-17 06:24 PM

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To Dweenk, that's the bike i'm working on although that one is in better shape.

1st pic. I think the rims will clean up very well. Only broke 2 spokes and 4 nuts, not bad for 65 year old rims.

next pics. So I thought, why not take apart the 49 rims. I view 4 utube videos on how to take apart a S/A aw hub none of them like this:

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once again sorry for the flip phone images

3speedslow 10-17-17 06:24 PM

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Cable end

3speedslow 10-17-17 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 19935640)
steamĚpunk

a genre of science fiction that has a historical setting and typically features steam-powered machinery rather than advanced technology.

a style of design and fashion that combines historical elements with anachronistic technological features inspired by science fiction.
"the essence of steampunk is homage to vintage fashion with a modern, sassy twist"

you see steampunk at thinks like the Make Faire

think lots of victorian brass filagree and details, carbide lamps, etc

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7e6c3a483f.jpg

Thanks for the explain!


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SX...srtgdsfgbd.jpg

Thanks for the explain!

BigChief 10-17-17 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19936077)
Does anyone know what brake end lead shape these use? I have these which fit but want to know what originally were used.

Hmmm, your photo only half loaded. Are you talking about these?
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Oh...I see it now. Never seen that one before. Must be from before my time

3speedslow 10-17-17 07:29 PM

# 14302 post has the cable ends I have used. If anyone has the brakes I showed, would those be the ones to use. When I tried the others most would not fit where the ends go.

BigChief 10-17-17 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19936204)
# 14302 post has the cable ends I have used. If anyone has the brakes I showed, would those be the ones to use. When I tried the others most would not fit where the ends go.

Oh sorry, I see now. I missed the picture of the brake levers. I have a pair of levers just like those in my box of salvaged bike stuff. I just checked them with a modern cable and I think regular barrel shaped brake cable ends would work OK in these.

BigChief 10-18-17 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19936102)
To Dweenk, that's the bike i'm working on although that one is in better shape.

1st pic. I think the rims will clean up very well. Only broke 2 spokes and 4 nuts, not bad for 65 year old rims.

next pics. So I thought, why not take apart the 49 rims. I view 4 utube videos on how to take apart a S/A aw hub none of them like this:

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once again sorry for the flip phone images

Yeah, you have the old style AW hub with the cog threaded on the driver. This one also has the two flats to remove the rest of the hub from the shell instead of the notches which means you'll need a spanner wide enough to fit and can't use a simple punch. You even have all of the original gun barrel blue nuts and washers. Very nice! Thanks for the update.

plympton 10-18-17 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19936824)
Yeah, you have the old style AW hub with the cog threaded on the driver. This one also has the two flats to remove the rest of the hub from the shell instead of the notches which means you'll need a spanner wide enough to fit and can't use a simple punch. You even have all of the original gun barrel blue nuts and washers. Very nice! Thanks for the update.

On the left side (?) is it righty tighty or righty loosey? Which way is it threaded? The rest is apart. The shifter is going to need work. The four stops are H, N, L, and B. I thought that it was a 3 but it's a B.

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BigChief 10-18-17 11:18 AM

Oh, you've got it apart. All done then. It looks like it will clean up nicely. Now you should be able to pry the caps off the wheel bearings with a screwdriver. There's one on the drive side driver and one on the other side in the hub shell. Nice work! The only thing that looks odd to me is the the clutch spring is usually wound so the top coil is square. I guess it doesn't matter, but it looks like it might not be an original part.

3speedslow 10-18-17 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19936375)
Oh sorry, I see now. I missed the picture of the brake levers. I have a pair of levers just like those in my box of salvaged bike stuff. I just checked them with a modern cable and I think regular barrel shaped brake cable ends would work OK in these.

Thanks. I might try one of the modern cables again. Right now I will run the Rudge with these. I like the brass ring that cradles the lead end. The modern ends I tried were too big for the cable slot.


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