What is the Modern Day Equal to the Mid-Late 80s Trek 400
Hi everyone,
I got into the biking hobby a few years back, and fell in love with the looks of old USA made bikes. I'm a very mechanically inclined person as I work on my cars, so I found a few local old bikes that needed work and fixed them up. Once I'm done I usually ride them, trade them in, or give them away to family and friends. One of the bikes was a Trek 400, I was unsure of the year, but I added a photo of it when I finished restoring it. I gave this bike to my dad for fathers day as he used to ride an old bike of similar look when I was kid. He loved the bike and rode pretty much any day the weather was permitting. Unfortunately this past week the bike was destroyed due to an accident. He went to Treks website to look for a new 400 and couldn't find one. So I did some digging myself and also was stumped. Does anyone know what the modern day equal to a Trek 400 is? (nvm, can't upload photo till 10 posts :/ ) |
Why don't you just buy a used bike instead of a modern equivalent?
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Sorry for the loss of the Trek 400.
My guess would be an aluminum Domane the AL 2 is where they start. at about $1000 US. Let the Forum What part of the world are you in and what size would you be looking for and I bet you would get lots of classic/vintage suggestions. |
Originally Posted by philpeugeot
(Post 22108519)
Why don't you just buy a used bike instead of a modern equivalent?
In the car world an example would be Chevy made an S10 from the late 80s to the 2000s, but it was replaced afterwards with the Chevy Colorado and so if I was looking for a vehicle like an S10 after 2003 I would shop the Colorado. If I could get pointers on what the lineage evolved to (I think the 400 stopped in late 80s / early 90s), I could figure out what used (or new) bikes to get. |
Ah, I see. Like KAH said, it would be helpful to know your location and size. An equal bike that Trek later manufactured might be an Elance, so keep an eye out for those. I'm sure other forum members here could chip in with suggestions.
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Originally Posted by KAH
(Post 22108525)
Sorry for the loss of the Trek 400.
My guess would be an aluminum Domane the AL 2 is where they start. at about $1000 US. Let the Forum What part of the world are you in and what size would you be looking for and I bet you would get lots of classic/vintage suggestions. |
Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22108527)
That's not out of the equation, but I don't know what the lineage is to find an equal bike.
In the car world an example would be Chevy made an S10 from the late 80s to the 2000s, but it was replaced afterwards with the Chevy Colorado and so if I was looking for a vehicle like an S10 after 2003 I would shop the Colorado. If I could get pointers on what the lineage evolved to (I think the 400 stopped in late 80s / early 90s), I could figure out what used (or new) bikes to get. In short, Trek doesn't make a steel road frame like that Trek 400 anymore. They started phasing out steel road frames a while ago. They do still make a steel touring bike, but that's really not going to be anything like the 400 your dad liked. That would be a Trek 520, which is a good bike, just not exactly the same. Like other posters mentioned, I will also suggest you look for another old Trek road bike (or just another brand vintage road bike in general), they aren't super expensive, they are easily available (I could look at my local craigslist right now and find 3-4 that are great picks) and they will be much closer to that Trek 400 than something new. That being said, if your dad is looking for a new new bike, then he should probably just go to a local bike shop and test ride some. Window shopping is fun and all but he won't really be able to know what he likes by just looking online. He also may find that a more upright, commuter type bike actually better suited for what he likes to ride. You also should remember, we are the Classic and Vintage forum, so we do know a lot about bikes, but we really like the older stuff for various reasons and aren't all that likely to say that the new bikes these days are all that comparable to the older stuff. |
Originally Posted by habes78023
(Post 22108535)
Treks went from the three digit series to four digit series meaning aluminum, or then a four digit starting with a 2 meaning carbon fiber. They actually still made these around the same time. They then evolved to more higher numbered series and models like the Madone and Domane are now what they would call road models.
In short, Trek doesn't make a steel road frame like that Trek 400 anymore. They started phasing out steel road frames a while ago. They do still make a steel touring bike, but that's really not going to be anything like the 400 your dad liked. That would be a Trek 520, which is a good bike, just not exactly the same.
Originally Posted by habes78023
(Post 22108535)
Like other posters mentioned, I will also suggest you look for another old Trek road bike (or just another brand vintage road bike in general), they aren't super expensive, they are easily available (I could look at my local craigslist right now and find 3-4 that are great picks) and they will be much closer to that Trek 400 than something new. That being said, if your dad is looking for a new new bike, then he should probably just go to a local bike shop and test ride some. Window shopping is fun and all but he won't really be able to know what he likes by just looking online. He also may find that a more upright, commuter type bike actually better suited for what he likes to ride.
Originally Posted by habes78023
(Post 22108535)
You also should remember, we are the Classic and Vintage forum, so we do know a lot about bikes, but we really like the older stuff for various reasons and aren't all that likely to say that the new bikes these days are all that comparable to the older stuff.
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Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22108512)
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know what the modern day equal to a Trek 400 is? |
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Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22108512)
Does anyone know what the modern day equal to a Trek 400 is?
https://harobikes.com/collections/cl...-classico-2021 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fd337e8fd0.png |
That 400T was a "sport touring" with long wheelbase, triple crank, and lots of braze ons (depending on year) with geometry similar or equal to the 520. The current "equal" would probably be the 520
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My vote is to find another Trek 400, or even the Elance version. I’m not even a big Trek guy, but they are really nice riding steel bikes.
Even after rehabbing, and upgrading items, you would be saving a lot over a modern “equivalent”. might be a fun project to do together. That said, your dad might enjoy a carbon modern bike better? Test ride probably is in the cards... |
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Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22108527)
That's not out of the equation, but I don't know what the lineage is to find an equal bike.
In the car world an example would be Chevy made an S10 from the late 80s to the 2000s, but it was replaced afterwards with the Chevy Colorado and so if I was looking for a vehicle like an S10 after 2003 I would shop the Colorado. The 1988 Trek 400 (and 400T) were situated about second from the bottom in Trek's hierarchy. It sounds low- but you'll hear "Trek's low end bikes are like other manufacturer's midline bikes" and it's true. The 400T (like your Dad's) has a TrueTemper CrMo frame with CrMo fork and stays, and the component group is a mix of upper mid/lower high end stuff. The derailleurs are Deore- which would be 2nd from the top of Shimano's MTB group. That adds up to a really quality bike. I'm completely unfamiliar with how Trek's lines are set up these days- but like KAH mentioned- that Domane AL2 in their "Gravel Bikes" section or as dedhed mentioned- the 520 look about right... sorta.
Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22108532)
I'm in the USA,
Good luck! |
You can find plenty of brand new steel frames with sport touring geometry. They'll probably take a wider tire than would the Trek 400, too, like this one: https://www.somafab.com/archives/pro...dero-frame-set
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Surly cross check?
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Thanks everyone for the replys. I think I got the jist of the lineup changes now. So I'll go to the store and have him try the Domane AL 2 and the Trek 520 (which I like that trek gave it the old school styling). In the meantime I'll be on the look out for 400T like he previously had. Is there any obvious way to tell the difference between a 400 and 400T. I didn't know I had a T model till everyone here mentioned it.
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22108874)
You can find plenty of brand new steel frames with sport touring geometry. They'll probably take a wider tire than would the Trek 400, too, like this one: (Url removed bc I have less than 10 posts)
But I know I'm short on tools around fork assembly and my knowledge on gearing is still rookie. While working on these old bikes is fascinating to me, I am a bit saddened that almost none of my automotive, electronic, or house tools really carry over for bike work. And I ended up dropping around $100 on a new set of tools just for bikes (including the bike stand). So I have a little bit to save up before I'll try a full bike build.
Originally Posted by Germany_chris
(Post 22109235)
Surly cross check?
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Originally Posted by CleanClassics
(Post 22109546)
Thanks everyone for the replys. I think I got the jist of the lineup changes now. So I'll go to the store and have him try the Domane AL 2 and the Trek 520 (which I like that trek gave it the old school styling). In the meantime I'll be on the look out for 400T like he previously had. Is there any obvious way to tell the difference between a 400 and 400T. I didn't know I had a T model till everyone here mentioned it.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3c6c7313b5.jpg 1988 Trek 400T, as found. |
You can visit the Trek archive to help get your bearings with respect to when the 400 was made. If you find one used, check the color on this list and you'll find the year it was made.
Trek Bike Models by Year and Color There are tons of used steel road bikes available on craigslist. The nice thing about Trek is the catalog archive(scroll up on the site above..lots of info available). You can track nearly any older, steel bike back to year and components from an ad by knowing the model and color. Trek also had big sales numbers..so you'll see them used. If your dad tends to like sitting upright more than the road bike (drop bars) posture, look into the Trek 7.x FX series. (7.1, 7.2...etc). The 7.5 is a nice, fast, comfortable bike with decent tires on it(dump the hardcase tires they come with..replace with Panaracer Gravelking slicks 700x35). |
Trek 400s are pretty easy to find, they made a lot of them. Don’t know where you live, but searching my local Milwaukee Craigslist site, there are currently 9 listed.
Of all my bikes, my 88 400t is my favorite, the most versatile, and gets the most miles. Found it hanging in a shed in San Antonio rotting away, cleaned it up, and upgraded the wheels, not a fan of Treks Matrix rims and Mallard hubs. Good luck replicating the feel and ride of a 400, with a modern bike. Tim https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...88c892865.jpeg 1988 Trek 400t |
CleanClassics , what the guys are asking is, what city and state do you live in? Some of them really want to go CL shopping for you; it's a fun hobby. I don't think anyone will track you down and stalk you with that minimal info. :)
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Originally Posted by tkamd73
(Post 22109856)
Trek 400s are pretty easy to find, they made a lot of them. Don’t know where you live, but searching my local Milwaukee Craigslist site, there are currently 9 listed.
Of all my bikes, my 88 400t is my favorite, the most versatile, and gets the most miles. Found it hanging in a shed in San Antonio rotting away, cleaned it up, and upgraded the wheels, not a fan of Treks Matrix rims and Mallard hubs. Good luck replicating the feel and ride of a 400, with a modern bike. Tim https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...88c892865.jpeg 1988 Trek 400t Yeah of all my bikes, my 1979 Trek 510 gets the most miles. Trek just dialed it in with the sports touring geometry. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ada975ed0.jpg |
One other thing that might help is to know what your budget is? If you're working on a tight budget, then I would suggest you just be patient try to find another older steel Trek. They can still be found, usually for a very reasonable price. If you have the budget and willingness to pay for a new bike, there are some great options. Previous responses referenced Soma and Surly Cross Check. The brand new bike will certainly cost more. The had to pay $1,279 for my brand new Cross Check last month. One other disadvantage of buying new is that right now the inventory is quite low due to supply chain constraints from the COVID pandemic.
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Originally Posted by bikemig
(Post 22110196)
Great looking bike. The light blue and yellow with the black rims works nicely together. I like running aero levers on my vintage bikes as well especially when running a fat tire to give me a double quick release for the front wheel. And it does provide better braking.
Yeah of all my bikes, my 1979 Trek 510 gets the most miles. Trek just dialed it in with the sports touring geometry. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ada975ed0.jpg Tim |
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