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thumpism 05-17-17 05:37 AM

How about a nice American English 3-speed?

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/6134991559.html

1961 Western Flyer/Raleigh - $150 (Mechanicsville)

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_...b_1200x900.jpg

condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Western Flyer
model name / number: Tourist

This is a 1961 Western Flyer Tourist. It is made in England and it is a rare find. Especially in this good of condition. Not many of this model Western Flyers made. They were produced by Raleigh and badged for Western Flyer stores. Bike looks great for the age! It has the 3 speed Sturney Archer hub and works fine. Still has the original "Davis Deluxe" front tire.
Great rider and well worth the price!

clubman 05-17-17 06:16 AM

I've always like the ;'Williams' style patterned chainring on those as opposed to the typical Raleigh rebrand.. I think they are Nicklin made.

BigChief 05-17-17 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19589268)
How about a nice American English 3-speed?

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/6134991559.html

1961 Western Flyer/Raleigh - $150 (Mechanicsville)

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_...b_1200x900.jpg

condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Western Flyer
model name / number: Tourist

This is a 1961 Western Flyer Tourist. It is made in England and it is a rare find. Especially in this good of condition. Not many of this model Western Flyers made. They were produced by Raleigh and badged for Western Flyer stores. Bike looks great for the age! It has the 3 speed Sturney Archer hub and works fine. Still has the original "Davis Deluxe" front tire.
Great rider and well worth the price!

Once again we see some Birmingham parts in the mix. I have a very similar bike (Royal Scot) made for an an American retailer hub date 1964. By then they used all Raleigh parts. Those two tone seats are terrible . I can't ride in em.

Velocivixen 05-17-17 07:56 AM

Will you talk to me or show me your small wheeled bike with a front DRUM brake? I've ordered 20" (406) Rhyno Lite rims for my 1973 Raleigh Twenty. Currently with an old dynohub.

I've never ridden a bike with drum brakes and want to try them. Sturmey Archer has the X-FD 70mm which looks appropriate.

Wonder about the clamp on reaction arm and torque on the fork. Online research indicates I should be fine. Thoughts?

Can I use my original brake lever or do I require one with different pull ratio? Thanks.

BigChief 05-17-17 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19589313)
I've always like the ;'Williams' style patterned chainring on those as opposed to the typical Raleigh rebrand.. I think they are Nicklin made.

I like them too. Very elegant design. Didn't know the name Williams. Thanks, always learning new things here.
I always figured they were made by Hercules since so many Hercs used them.

Salubrious 05-17-17 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19588762)


The roads you take to get here are a welcome break from Highway 61. But at least this highway has a wide shoulder to ride on, unlike WI-35, which puts you cheek-by-jowl with the hordes of unmuffled Harleys that frequent the route on weekends. :twitchy:


We avoided a lot of WI-35 by taking back roads, which were flush with wild flowers and maybe a car every 15 minutes or so. So we bypassed Stockholm and all of WI-35 to Pepin as well.

On the second day, once at Lake City most of our ride was well away from US-61.

It does seem that the more time you spend on the ride not getting there, the more fun you have as long as its not mechanical :)

DQRider 05-17-17 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19589897)
We avoided a lot of WI-35 by taking back roads, which were flush with wild flowers and maybe a car every 15 minutes or so. So we bypassed Stockholm and all of WI-35 to Pepin as well.

On the second day, once at Lake City most of our ride was well away from US-61.

It does seem that the more time you spend on the ride not getting there, the more fun you have as long as its not mechanical :)

(Please pardon me if this shows up as a duplicate post. I thought I posted it, but it never showed up. :foo:)

On Sunday, when I saw you two leaving Lake City, I almost asked if I could tag along, but thought better of it. Sometimes three's a crowd...

Anyway, I had many bikes to photograph, so I kept plenty busy. Here are some more:

http://i.imgur.com/IPSlIky.png
This bike intrigued me; one of the fabled Lenton Sports. This one looks well-used.


http://i.imgur.com/CIkt1lp.png
A vision from the past, brought up-to-date by the youths sporting t-shirts.


http://i.imgur.com/dXYds5w.png
It appears the Hun has infiltrated our lines! :eek: This is a 3-speed of German origins - forgot the name. Anyone?


http://i.imgur.com/DyJ7RFJ.png
Here is a Raleigh 5-speed with a well-equipped cockpit. Refreshments at your fingertips - cocktail anyone?


http://i.imgur.com/FdmWaiD.png
Another well-equipped steed. I hope those saddlebag straps are plenty strong.


http://i.imgur.com/IeasfIG.png
Judging by the cannons on the crank wheel, I would guess this is a BSA. Or an Enfield?

That's enough for tonight. I'll put out some more tomorrow.



SirMike1983 05-17-17 07:43 PM

Three cannon would be Royal Enfield.

I took out this 1947 Schwinn Continental 3-speed for a ride this evening. It's really summer-like this week.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f-pPXtphI...517_180748.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aO5edVIhJ...517_180739.jpg

noglider 05-17-17 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 19589481)
Will you talk to me or show me your small wheeled bike with a front DRUM brake? I've ordered 20" (406) Rhyno Lite rims for my 1973 Raleigh Twenty. Currently with an old dynohub.

I've never ridden a bike with drum brakes and want to try them. Sturmey Archer has the X-FD 70mm which looks appropriate.

Wonder about the clamp on reaction arm and torque on the fork. Online research indicates I should be fine. Thoughts?

Can I use my original brake lever or do I require one with different pull ratio? Thanks.

Hiya. I put a Sturmey Archer drum brake hub on my 1973 Twenty. I think I even sent you pictures of it. You don't have to change the lever. The only kind of brake that needs a different ratio is the V brake type. All other types use the regular ratio. I could be wrong about disc brakes, because I've never had those.

adventurepdx 05-17-17 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19589897)
We avoided a lot of WI-35 by taking back roads, which were flush with wild flowers and maybe a car every 15 minutes or so. So we bypassed Stockholm and all of WI-35 to Pepin as well.

On the second day, once at Lake City most of our ride was well away from US-61.

It does seem that the more time you spend on the ride not getting there, the more fun you have as long as its not mechanical :)

My favorite bits of the tour seemed to be the getting off of 35/61. Though I don't feel that 35 is as bad as DQRider makes it out to be!

On my second year I did the trip up to Maiden Rock. That was brutal. I think I might try that Stockholm bypass at some point. (Do you have the route?) Stockholm isn't my fave town on the WI side, so I wouldn't miss it up.

On the MN side, I always make a point to get off of 61 as much as possible. I love County 10/County 4 between Wabasha and Lake City, Territorial Road between Lake City and Frontenac, and Hill St out of Frontenac.

adventurepdx 05-17-17 11:01 PM

All of this Pepin talk makes me bummed that I missed it this year. :(
But there will be 2018!

Anyways, it got nice here in Portland, so I pulled out the Superbe and did a nice 30 mile ride in honor of the Three Speed Tour.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/3...0b2103a8_z.jpg
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Renngrrl 05-17-17 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19591250)
http://i.imgur.com/IeasfIG.png
Judging by the cannons on the crank wheel, I would guess this is a BSA. Or an Enfield?

Enfield. BSA cranks have the initials in them.

Keep the photos coming! So many gorgeous bikes. I wish there was a similar event out here on the west coast.

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DQRider 05-18-17 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Renngrrl (Post 19591658)
Enfield. BSA cranks have the initials in them.

Keep the photos coming! So many gorgeous bikes. I wish there was a similar event out here on the west coast.Save

A quick search for "Tweed Ride, Sacramento, CA" turned up this:

Tweed Ride to Roll Through Sac Jan. 30th

Then there are also a bunch of Facebook pages as well. So they are definitely out there, you just have to find them.

DQRider 05-18-17 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19591641)
My favorite bits of the tour seemed to be the getting off of 35/61. Though I don't feel that 35 is as bad as DQRider makes it out to be!

Keep in mind that the times you were here were cool and cloudy weekends - so most of the Hawgsters and Yuppieglides stayed home.

http://i.imgur.com/xVAogS9.png

This year it was sunny and warm, shirtsleeve weather, and they were out in force. Not to mention the fact that it was the fishing opener as well, and some of these ****ers in their diesel duallies towing their boats like to buzz folks on bicycles. WI-35 was not a nice place to be last weekend, especially in places where the shoulder narrowed.

I will be scouting alternate routes for next year, and might even make up some maps for those who want them.





Renngrrl 05-18-17 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19591893)
A quick search for "Tweed Ride, Sacramento, CA" turned up this:
Tweed Ride to Roll Through Sac Jan. 30th
Then there are also a bunch of Facebook pages as well. So they are definitely out there, you just have to find them.

There is a local Tweed ride coming up in June. I'm envious of organized rides that are longer then a few miles around town. I was under the impression the Lake Peppin ride was out on rural roads where roadsters get to shine. Heck I'll probably tweed around Paso Robles before the Eroica sunday ride just for fun :innocent:
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BigChief 05-18-17 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19591250)
(Please pardon me if this shows up as a duplicate post. I thought I posted it, but it never showed up. :foo:)

On Sunday, when I saw you two leaving Lake City, I almost asked if I could tag along, but thought better of it. Sometimes three's a crowd...

Anyway, I had many bikes to photograph, so I kept plenty busy. Here are some more:

http://i.imgur.com/IPSlIky.png
This bike intrigued me; one of the fabled Lenton Sports. This one looks well-used.


http://i.imgur.com/CIkt1lp.png
A vision from the past, brought up-to-date by the youths sporting t-shirts.


http://i.imgur.com/dXYds5w.png
It appears the Hun has infiltrated our lines! :eek: This is a 3-speed of German origins - forgot the name. Anyone?


http://i.imgur.com/DyJ7RFJ.png
Here is a Raleigh 5-speed with a well-equipped cockpit. Refreshments at your fingertips - cocktail anyone?


http://i.imgur.com/FdmWaiD.png
Another well-equipped steed. I hope those saddlebag straps are plenty strong.


http://i.imgur.com/IeasfIG.png
Judging by the cannons on the crank wheel, I would guess this is a BSA. Or an Enfield?

That's enough for tonight. I'll put out some more tomorrow.



You got it right...It's a 1930s Royal Enfield

DQRider 05-18-17 10:45 AM

More From Lake Pepin 2017
 
The fellow who organizes this ride is named Jon Sharratt. He always brings excellent machinery to the event. Here is his Humber, which was featured in an earlier group photo:

http://i.imgur.com/zBDiHLv.png
And yes, it IS a coincidence that his bike has nearly the same color scheme as mine.


http://i.imgur.com/gdhAkNz.png
This shot, taken outside "Flat Pennies Ice Cream" shop, shows someone taking a closer look at the pedals on my Raysport.


http://i.imgur.com/yqjfyfB.png
This fellow seems to have captured the spirit of the event. Saturday morning at Colville Park.


http://i.imgur.com/FW8Ynqd.png
Taken on one of the side routes, this shot shows the Kemper (Pedersen) in action.


http://i.imgur.com/i53Wuv7.png
Here's the crowd at the "Eagle's Nest" getting ready for the off on Sunday morning. That is Noel Robinson, the ride's founder, holding forth from the tabletop.


http://i.imgur.com/W1ZXQbX.png
This is one superb Superbe.


http://i.imgur.com/LPaQpGz.png
Here's my ride, lounging against a wall in downtown Wabasha. This place has the feel of a theme park, in fact it reminds me of standing on the main street of Disneyland.


http://i.imgur.com/42vX8ip.png
And finally, for those who don't know me, here's a "selfie" I took while waiting for a cup of coffee at the historic Anderson House in Wabasha.



Salubrious 05-18-17 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19591641)
My favorite bits of the tour seemed to be the getting off of 35/61. Though I don't feel that 35 is as bad as DQRider makes it out to be!

On my second year I did the trip up to Maiden Rock. That was brutal. I think I might try that Stockholm bypass at some point. (Do you have the route?) Stockholm isn't my fave town on the WI side, so I wouldn't miss it up.

On the MN side, I always make a point to get off of 61 as much as possible. I love County 10/County 4 between Wabasha and Lake City, Territorial Road between Lake City and Frontenac, and Hill St out of Frontenac.

The ride organizers make a bit of a point that the best rides are those that are off the main route. I agree!

I wanted to do County 10 this year but my companion was not up to it. We did do the Territorial Road and the Ski Road.

Stockholm Bypass: Take the first paved road to the left outside of Maiden Rock (marked 'Rustic Road'). After you cross the stream, turn left on the gravel road (marked 'Next 4 miles'). After 4 stream crossings the road becomes steeper. A left at the top will get you to flat pavement pretty fast with the least amount of HAB (at the pavement, go right to County CC, take a right to Lund and follow CC), but if you want a bit more of a challenge go right (that's the way we went). The steepest part will be after the road goes to pavement. Take a left at County Hiway J. Option: take the Slough Road (gravel) just a short bit up J. Otherwise stay on J to Lund, go straight (Lund is a pretty small village) take Co Hiway CC to the right just east of Lund. Proceed south to Pepin. Alternate: approaching Pepin, take the Sandhill Road; watch for the cemetery and so a slight left turn. This will take you a bit further east. You can then take the Trail Road which puts you on WI35 about 2 miles east of Pepin.

We got to Wabasha with only enough time to check in and then get dinner provided by the Tour at the Eagle's Nest. I slept very well that night :)

noglider 05-18-17 10:52 AM

Nice to see you, @DQRider.

noglider 05-18-17 10:58 AM

@Velocivixen, here is a picture of the front wheel on my Twenty.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/C3...w1010-h1352-no

Velocivixen 05-18-17 12:32 PM

Thanks @noglider - I think I've seen yours before too. Please tell me that the drum brake will be better than a very long reach front (original) caliper, even on modern rims. ;)

In part, I've never experienced a drum brake in any way, so want to try it. I've scoured the web for various comments and opinions about them.

Tom, what are your thoughts? Thank you.

noglider 05-18-17 01:06 PM

The drum brake is most definitely better than that unconscionable caliper. That should not have been sold on the open market.

It basically feels like a brake. It needs breaking in for a few miles, though.

The Citi Bike bikes came with Shimano drum brakes in model 1. Now model 2 has SA hubs. The Shimano requires too much hand strength. I have big strong hands, and even I thought it was inappropriate for a bike model intended for everyone. The SA hubs stop really really easily, and of course, they don't care about weather.

I was wondering what I would do about the rear brake on my Twenty, but I've decided that the crappy caliper is OK, because I don't really care about rear brakes.

agmetal 05-18-17 01:30 PM

I have drum brakes on two of my bikes, and I'm a big fan! One is my ANT that I built up with inspiration from my '37 Raleigh Tourist (the bike rides somewhere halfway between a Sports and a Tourist, but with a more modern-feeling front end), and the other is my franken-5-speed that I use primarily as a wet/winter-weather beater. The ANT has the 70mm versions, and the frankenbike (I think it's maybe a Fuji a frame) has the 90mm hubs. They both have 700C wheels, though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...427_172655.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...310_173511.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...225_003624.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...221_101108.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...221_101121.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...221_101136.jpg

cambiker71 05-18-17 03:41 PM

Does this count? It's looking a little sorry for itself at the minute but i'm working on it...

https://s5.postimg.org/7sq9f577b/DSC_2250.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/ljuqhcw53/IMG...233058_125.jpg
https://s5.postimg.org/xzrgb3ph3/IMG...233058_127.jpg

2cam16 05-18-17 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by cambiker71 (Post 19593542)

If my Huffy counted, then by all means you get my vote! :)


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