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JaccoW 04-29-18 02:29 PM

Worked a bit on the 4-speed shifter today but I wanted to show the different hubs I have side by side:
http://i.imgur.com/qLPO9f5h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pPtglsIh.jpg

Left to right:
- 1958 FM four speed
- 1983 freewheel drum brake
- RX-RD5 70mm drum 5-speed
- XL-RD5 90mm drum 5-speed

With the exception of the FM I bought most of these for prices between 4-30. I still want to put the XL into a porteur bike. That will probably be a project for next year though.

gster 04-29-18 06:49 PM

Funny Ad on Kijiji, Toronto:

Vintage Raleigh Folder Bike - a Hipsters Delight

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7e56f24d76.jpg


Check out this “old school” folding Raleigh bike! It’s a hipsters delight! Let me paint a picture for you - you are a 35 year old man sporting a beard that even the members of ZZ Top would envy, and riding your newly acquired bicycle to a friends house in a recently gentrified neighbourhood. The plan is to exchange witty banter with your companion while sipping on craft beer and listening to Indie-rock vinyl records. On the front of the bicycle is a basket carrying an organic vegan cookbook and a pair of vintage sneakers. You arrive at you friends house, dismount, and clean your thick rimmed classes with a polka dot handkerchief. Your friend appears at the door sporting his wool toque and a pair of skinny jeans. He unloads your basket while you effortlessly fold your bicycle and carry it inside. “Wow!”- exclaims your friend. “That bicycle is so authentic. It’s like an anecdote to those high tech, mass produced modern road bikes.” It’s a hipsters delight! $80 (note: you don’t have to be a hipster to buy this bike.)


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RobHalligan 04-29-18 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20301141)
Nice one! Which parts went into the oxalic acid? I've never used that technique.

Painted or chromed surfaces work. Brake pads disintegrate. I try to keep rubber, plastic, and greased surfaces out of the OA. I'll dip a frame with mudguards with handlebars and brakes by flipping it around every day or so to keep the bottom bracket and headset out of the OA. Parts seem to re-rust quickly after dipping so I clearcoat before putting the item back in use.

Velocivixen 04-29-18 08:52 PM

@gster - I have to laugh at that ad. It perfectly describes the Portland, OR bike and social scene!

Heck, even I wear skinny jeans (corduroys), a wool beanie and big glasses. I can’t grow a mustache though.

thumpism 04-30-18 06:02 AM

Punctuation and spelling mistakes done ironically or for real? Only the hipsters know for sure. And it was mass produced.

Check out this “old school” folding Raleigh bike! It’s a hipsters delight! Let me paint a picture for you - you are a 35 year old man sporting a beard that even the members of ZZ Top would envy, and riding your newly acquired bicycle to a friends house in a recently gentrified neighbourhood. The plan is to exchange witty banter with your companion while sipping on craft beer and listening to Indie-rock vinyl records. On the front of the bicycle is a basket carrying an organic vegan cookbook and a pair of vintage sneakers. You arrive at you friends house, dismount, and clean your thick rimmed classes with a polka dot handkerchief. Your friend appears at the door sporting his wool toque and a pair of skinny jeans. He unloads your basket while you effortlessly fold your bicycle and carry it inside. “Wow!”- exclaims your friend. “That bicycle is so authentic. It’s like an anecdote to those high tech, mass produced modern road bikes.” It’s a hipsters delight! $80 (note: you don’t have to be a hipster to buy this bike.)

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20313798)
Funny Ad on Kijiji, Toronto:Vintage Raleigh Folder Bike - a Hipsters Delight

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7e56f24d76.jpg


Check out this “old school” folding Raleigh bike! It’s a hipsters delight! Let me paint a picture for you - you are a 35 year old man sporting a beard that even the members of ZZ Top would envy, and riding your newly acquired bicycle to a friends house in a recently gentrified neighbourhood. The plan is to exchange witty banter with your companion while sipping on craft beer and listening to Indie-rock vinyl records. On the front of the bicycle is a basket carrying an organic vegan cookbook and a pair of vintage sneakers. You arrive at you friends house, dismount, and clean your thick rimmed classes with a polka dot handkerchief. Your friend appears at the door sporting his wool toque and a pair of skinny jeans. He unloads your basket while you effortlessly fold your bicycle and carry it inside. “Wow!”- exclaims your friend. “That bicycle is so authentic. It’s like an anecdote to those high tech, mass produced modern road bikes.” It’s a hipsters delight! $80 (note: you don’t have to be a hipster to buy this bike.)


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I hope Wikileaks never gets hold of that hipster registry. But around these parts, $80 would be a heck of a good price for that bike.

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20313059)
Those rims look like they're still good. The thing to decide is if you want the wheels for a cheap fix or to clean up and keep for spare parts. Chances are that the spoke nipples are frozen and penetrating oil may or may not get them working. In either case, I use a wire wheel on my drill to take of the rust on the inside down to steel. I try to leave any good chrome I can. Then I give it a couple coats of silver Rustoleum. I polish the tops as best as I can and give it a coat of wax.

To do that wire brush stuff I beg an extension cord from the building's super and he lets me run it out a basement window so I can work outside. Don't hold out much hope for those original spokes, though. Another crazy thought: The guy I overhauled that Space Rider for five years ago, I know he would like a diamond frame, adult size version, too. So I'm thinking about trying to spring the U-lock on that derelict Sports. He leaves for business in Italy over the entire summer so I'd have quite a few months to pull a whole bike together. It'd be kind of the perfect ride as he and his family have nowhere but outside to park a bike.

BigChief 04-30-18 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20314320)
To do that wire brush stuff I beg an extension cord from the building's super and he lets me run it out a basement window so I can work outside. Don't hold out much hope for those original spokes, though. Another crazy thought: The guy I overhauled that Space Rider for five years ago, I know he would like a diamond frame, adult size version, too. So I'm thinking about trying to spring the U-lock on that derelict Sports. He leaves for business in Italy over the entire summer so I'd have quite a few months to pull a whole bike together. It'd be kind of the perfect ride as he and his family have nowhere but outside to park a bike.

Wow, you really are old fashioned. I haven't seen a plug in drill since the 90s. Most of the time I use a fence wire cutter to snip off the rusted spokes and salvage the rims and hubs. Although, sometimes it's good the have usable wheels ready to do things like buy a cheap stepthrough with really clean wheels, swap them out, get the stepthrough working again and recouping at least some of the money.

capnjonny 04-30-18 10:07 AM

modern Raleigh Sport type 3 speed bikes
 
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca8452600.jpg
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

Salubrious 04-30-18 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 20313397)
Worked a bit on the 4-speed shifter today but I wanted to show the different hubs I have side by side:

http://i.imgur.com/pPtglsIh.jpg

Left to right:
- 1958 FM four speed
- 1983 freewheel drum brake
- RX-RD5 70mm drum 5-speed
- XL-RD5 90mm drum 5-speed

With the exception of the FM I bought most of these for prices between 4-30. I still want to put the XL into a porteur bike. That will probably be a project for next year though.

Those alloy FM hubs have a way of breaking their hub bodies. If you really plan to use it, replace the hub body with a steel one.

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca8452600.jpg
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

Looking sharp. Nice job.

BigChief 04-30-18 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca8452600.jpg
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

Beautiful Sports there!
Not too many companies making traditional roadsters, but there's a couple I can think of.
Raliegh Denmark and Pashley.

desconhecido 04-30-18 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

English made bikes by Pashley. Nice looking bikes -- all I have looked at are 531 frames. Not cheap.

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca8452600.jpg
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

Tall person?

gster 04-30-18 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today. The last https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ca8452600.jpg
Raleigh I restored was built in 1969 and should be good for another 50 years.

There's a company called Simcoe that makes Raleigh style bikes w/ 3 and 7 speed hubs.
Priced around $700.00
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...51954a5a6b.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...23ba990c04.jpg

Ballenxj 04-30-18 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

And what do such bikes cost new today.

Nice looking restoration. :) As for new bikes with internal hubs, there is Linus? http://www.linusbike.com/
Their website is a bit of a challenge to navigate, but I think worth mentioning. I test rode one with the 8 speed last year and thought it was pretty nice. :thumb:

Mooo 04-30-18 04:50 PM

Handsome Fredward ( https://handsomecycles.com/pages/bike-fredward ) can be had with a Sturmey Archer 3 speed.

It isn't an especially relaxed ride, but a Steamroller is 120mm at the fork ends and 3-speeds up nicely.

arty dave 04-30-18 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by capnjonny (Post 20314723)
Having restored a number of Raleigh "hundred year bicycles" I was wondering, who is making a similar bike currently. By that I mean an internal geared , sturdy bike of similar quality and durability.

I've had a second hand Papillionaire Classic for about a year now. Good price and low mileage, and it has a chromo frame and a nexus 8 (internal gear) hub that I really like. I've read that converting these hubs to oil will make them last a lot longer, but I'm sure not as long as a 3 speed hub. I haven't ridden it since the DL-1 became roadworthy, and now I'm not sure if I should sell it or keep it or for a wet weather bike. I'll have to take it for a ride and decide. I could really do with the money at the moment.
This is from their website (this one is pictured with a 3 speed hub), but I have changed mine to a longer stem and different more comfortable for me handlebars. The weird thing was that the kickstand was too short for the bike so I had to change that out too. It came with a rack as well. I couldn't find a new price online.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/969/4...a324b83c_b.jpg
20154719647281CLASSIC_BLACK_DEC15_C_8_1920 by arty dave armour, on Flickr

gster 04-30-18 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20315413)
Nice looking restoration. :) As for new bikes with internal hubs, there is Linus? http://www.linusbike.com/
Their website is a bit of a challenge to navigate, but I think worth mentioning. I test rode one with the 8 speed last year and thought it was pretty nice. :thumb:

I have a Linus single speed that I quite like.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0dd2b69309.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 07:32 PM

Sometimes I wonder if all these current steel city bikes--Public, Linux, Papillionaire, Biria, etc.--might come out of the same Asian factory. But I think they should last as long as people want to use them, even though some components, like bottom brackets and pedals, and some hubs, are serviced by replacing them not cleaning, lubing, and adjusting like with the old Raleighs. Although I particularly wish pedals would be made to be serviceable. I have a Public and those Well-gos, they start clicking in no time. Pedals live a hard life.

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 07:33 PM

I emailed SunRingle to ask directly if the CR18s are being discontinued, and just received a reply. No.

agmetal 04-30-18 07:35 PM

Who here is particularly well-versed in the modern Sturmey-Archer "NIG" 3-speeds? I was doing some reading today, as well as watching Dan Burkhart's video comparing the old and new driver/clutch assemblies, and it got me wondering - other than the driver and clutch, are there any parts that are incompatible? Would it be possible to convert an older hub to NIG with just those parts? If so, are there any disadvantages? I've read that backpedaling while shifting could potentially create issues, and that there might be more drag, but does anyone have experience with this?

paulb_in_bkln 04-30-18 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20313059)
TChances are that the spoke nipples are frozen and penetrating oil may or may not get them working. In either case, I use a wire wheel on my drill to take of the rust on the inside down to steel. I try to leave any good chrome I can. Then I give it a couple coats of silver Rustoleum. I polish the tops as best as I can and give it a coat of wax.

I like the silver paint. I haven't visited Pashley's website in quite a long time but I see they use a black alloy update of the Westwood. If they'd make a silvery Westwick and sell them for a reasonable price, that would be neighborly.

BigChief 04-30-18 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20315855)
I like the silver paint. I haven't visited Pashley's website in quite a long time but I see they use a black alloy update of the Westwood. If they'd make a silvery Westwick and sell them for a reasonable price, that would be neighborly.

Those alloy Westwood were for sale for a while both plain and painted black with pinstripes. Only in 36 hole.Pretty sure it was a Flying Pigeon product. It was someplace like Yellow Jersey , I forget, gone now anyway.

arty dave 04-30-18 11:15 PM

You can get black alloy Westwoods and stainless Westrick rims here https://hollandbikeshop.com/bicycle-...bike-28-1-1-2/ starting from about US$23ish, but only in 36 hole as you say. Postage from the Netherlands might be the killer. The Westricks have a textured braking surface. Ah sorry that link is only to 28 x 1 1/2 rims - I just had a look and they do have some vintage style 26 x 1 3/8 rims but they're mixed in with 559/26" rim listings. Actually there are westwoods in 559 and 590


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