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BigChief 09-07-19 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21111862)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f892890e82.jpg
I did some more work on the hercules yesterday.
The 22T freewheel was added as well as a new chain.
Even at 114 links it wasn't quite long enough so it was extended.
The rod brakes still need some tweeking but overall a pleasant
vintage ride.
I can't see myself putting a lot of miles on it but a fun project
to work on.

Looking great. It is a fun project. A long term project too. You never know when things like a perfect crank and pedals will show up. How about a pre-war 3 speed hub and quadrant shifter? I'd be tempted. Are you still planning on adding the head badge transfer? And then...there's the pinstripes. I've been wanting to try that for years. Right now, my next project plan is a total repaint of that 70s Sports I have. It's getting an S5 hub and pinstripes. We'll see how that goes.

jackbombay 09-07-19 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21111915)
Right now, my next project plan is a total repaint of that 70s Sports I have. It's getting an S5 hub and pinstripes. We'll see how that goes.

I just picked up a 1968 Raleigh Sprite, born with an S5, I'm not totally sure how I want to proceed with the build, it will be a resto/mod build of sorts, but man I love the S5 hubs!

nlerner 09-08-19 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21112676)
I just picked up a 1968 Raleigh Sprite, born with an S5, I'm not totally sure how I want to proceed with the build, it will be a resto/mod build of sorts, but man I love the S5 hubs!

Are the shift levers in decent condition? Thatís the part that seems to have the smallest chance of survival.

jackbombay 09-08-19 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21112981)
Are the shift levers in decent condition? Thatís the part that seems to have the smallest chance of survival.

I has a "speedy switch 3 speed" shifter on each side of the bars.

BigChief 09-08-19 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21113053)
I has a "speedy switch 3 speed" shifter on each side of the bars.

I have mine shifting from the handlebar too. A regular 3 speed trigger on the right and a SunTour power shifter on the left. English bikes have had indexed, handlebar shifting since 1939. The decision to shift the S5 from the top tube was a step backward in my opinion.

gster 09-08-19 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21113053)
I has a "speedy switch 3 speed" shifter on each side of the bars.

I have a Sprite w/ the 5 speed hub.
I added the double throttle shifters.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d5610444c.jpg
I find if the bike sits for awhile w/ both shifters on the "off" position,
i.e both forward, the secondary shifter will not engage easily.
The bike now rests with the primary "off" i.e. in third and the secondary
shifter engaged.
Seems to keep the hub freed up.

Cute Boy Horse 09-08-19 10:27 AM

Here's a weird one I just found on dutch auction site Marktplaats.

https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/fietsen...reviousPage=lr
https://i.postimg.cc/9f6mFdSg/what.png

The seller has uploaded some really, really bad low res photos here. Pixel city. I assume it's an older person. So what you think, it's just an old Rod-drum brake bike. Look closer.

The brake mechanism is completely different. The handlebars have a covered section in the middle with some marking on it, the rod to the front drum brake is curved, and instead of a bell crank for the rear brake it turns into a cable!

Anyone ran across this before?

gster 09-08-19 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21111915)
Looking great. It is a fun project. A long term project too. You never know when things like a perfect crank and pedals will show up. How about a pre-war 3 speed hub and quadrant shifter? I'd be tempted. Are you still planning on adding the head badge transfer? And then...there's the pinstripes. I've been wanting to try that for years. Right now, my next project plan is a total repaint of that 70s Sports I have. It's getting an S5 hub and pinstripes. We'll see how that goes.

Thanks again BC for some positive words.
I always have my eye open for a quadrant shifter but have never found one (at a reasonable price...).
Pinstripes would be nice. I've tried automotive vinyl pin striping before with limited results.
I've been using Epifanes boat paint on the boat and appears very durable for a bike.
Also expensive.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...552456e5d7.jpg
Please document your progress on the Sports.

BigChief 09-08-19 01:52 PM

I've never seen brakes like that before. From the font on the down tube transfer I'm figuring it's a Danish Raleigh.

Road Fan 09-08-19 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21108246)
Here you go.

Ok - according to the chart, the BSD circumference 77.00 inches is the closest match to 630 mm BSD, since it calculates out to 630.41 mm BSD. So a "more" modern 630b tire could be placed on such rims, even though the tire sizes for those rims are given as 28" rather than 27". Is this right? A "modern" 630 x 38 for example should still be a tight fit due to the stretchier interface of the tire bead to the bead seat surface.

Road Fan 09-08-19 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21109124)
I was leafing through Style Magazine this morning, our arts and entertainment weekly, when I spotted the ad for the opera's upcoming season. The photo for Il Postino (actually from the LA Opera's production of the show) shows a familiar profile in the role of postal bike, a root beer colored Raleigh Sports like my own, right down to the Pletscher rack. For an Italian opera about a Chilean writer it seemed like an odd choice; after all, who'd notice a stupid little detail like that? Probably the same kind of person who'd notice the wrong bird calls for a purported locale and season in a movie or television show. Nerds, in other words! Synopsis and trailer below.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0c59f9dd4c.jpg

"Set on a small Italian island, exiled Chilean poet Pablo Neruda receives so much fan mail that a personal postman, Mario Ruoppolo, is hired to deliver his letters. Mario, smitten by Beatrice Russo, turns to Pablo for help writing poetry that would help him win the heart of the woman he longs for. Soon after, Mario and the barmaid fall in love and wed. In the third act, influenced by Pablo's works, Mario begins writing political poems and while reciting at a communist demonstration, violence breaks out and he receives a gunshot wound, killing him."

https://www.pbs.org/video/great-perf...om-la-opera-1/


And the singer's saddle is way too low!

Road Fan 09-08-19 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21111565)
Made a template up by tracing some paper laid over the fork blade. Used some 0.125" thick stainless sheet just because thats what was in the scrap pile. Used a hacksaw, files and drill bits to shape the plates. Once I had the holes for the axles drilled, I bolted the plates together through the axle hole to ensure they both got filed down to the same contour during the shaping process. Then bolted the plates onto the forks - the plates are held on by the original fender stay screws and the wheel axle. When fitting the new position for the fender stays, I used small 'C' clamps to hold the stays to the plates. Once nothing rubbed and the fender line looked OK, traced the outline of the fender stay hole on the plate with a marker. Centre punched and drilled the holes for the fender stay bolts.

Its a convoluted solution - maybe its easier to bend or remove metal from the underside of the fender peak. But the plates are easily removed with no permanent effect if you decide to go back to original profile tires.

Do you have a picture of the end result? I'm not sure what problem you are solving.

Bomarc 09-08-19 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 21113482)
Do you have a picture of the end result? I'm not sure what problem you are solving.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f096d9240.jpeg

Bracket pulls fender stay closer to axle.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...609415646.jpeg

Which raises fender peak up so it doesn't rub on fat profile tire.

Road Fan 09-08-19 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21113508)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f096d9240.jpeg

Bracket pulls fender stay closer to axle.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...609415646.jpeg

Which raises fender peak up so it doesn't rub on fat profile tire.

NICE! some creative fender tuning!

gster 09-08-19 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21113508)
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f096d9240.jpeg

Bracket pulls fender stay closer to axle.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...609415646.jpeg

Which raises fender peak up so it doesn't rub on fat profile tire.

Very clever.

clubman 09-08-19 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Road Fan (Post 21113470)
Ok - according to the chart, the BSD circumference 77.00 inches is the closest match to 630 mm BSD, since it calculates out to 630.41 mm BSD. So a "more" modern 630b tire could be placed on such rims, even though the tire sizes for those rims are given as 28" rather than 27". Is this right? A "modern" 630 x 38 for example should still be a tight fit due to the stretchier interface of the tire bead to the bead seat surface.

Not quite. The Circumference at Bead Seat seems to muddy some waters even more. 77.00 is a 700c tire, typically known in Canada as 28 x 1 1/2 or F13 or 28 1 x 1 3/4, not to be confused with the larger F10 British rim found on DL-1's and Tourists.

The 77.89 is the K2 or typical 630 mm. The math may not support the chart but hey, they made the tires. ;) The chart does help some canucks trying to figure out what they have but I also like Sheldon's chart for better clarity. He has 700c at 76.9 and 77.9 for 630 mm. Close enough.

gster 09-09-19 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21113622)
Not quite. The Circumference at Bead Seat seems to muddy some waters even more. 77.00 is a 700c tire, typically known in Canada as 28 x 1 1/2 or F13 or 28 1 x 1 3/4, not to be confused with the larger F10 British rim found on DL-1's and Tourists.

The 77.89 is the K2 or typical 630 mm. The math may not support the chart but hey, they made the tires. ;) The chart does help some canucks trying to figure out what they have but I also like Sheldon's chart for better clarity. He has 700c at 76.9 and 77.9 for 630 mm. Close enough.

Wow....
This is worse than buying ink for a printer.
I'll take my EA1 rim down to the shop and see what fits.

thumpism 09-09-19 06:20 AM

Looks like a Sturmey bike. Looks English. Looks kinda dusty.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...974165453.html

Western Flyer - $50

bicycle frame material: steel
bicycle type: cruiser
frame size: N/a
wheel size: other/unknown

Western Flyer bicycle $50. Please call Jim Hall show contact info
. Do not text, call only.

clubman 09-09-19 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21114155)
Wow....
This is worse than buying ink for a printer.
I'll take my EA1 rim down to the shop and see what fits.

Good luck with it. I spent a few years combing the Toronto bike shops for EA1 tires, it's why I have some stock. I don't think I scoured the Junction or Weston area but I did get to most of the shops over to High Park. Don't forget the Schwinn 26 x 1 3/8 size is also an EA1/597 bead. They don't inflate as hard with their wider profile but they will fit.

LBCwanabe 09-09-19 07:27 AM

Nice

noglider 09-09-19 07:36 AM

I rode the NYC Century yesterday. I saw some Bromptons and some other unlikely bikes but no Sportses. There may have been some. The ride wasn't hilly, though as mentioned before, there was a lot of stopping and going.

Bomarc 09-09-19 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21113134)
I have a Sprite w/ the 5 speed hub.
I added the double throttle shifters.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d5610444c.jpg
I find if the bike sits for awhile w/ both shifters on the "off" position,
i.e both forward, the secondary shifter will not engage easily.
The bike now rests with the primary "off" i.e. in third and the secondary
shifter engaged.
Seems to keep the hub freed up.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21113134)
I have a Sprite w/ the 5 speed hub.
I added the double throttle shifters.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1d5610444c.jpg
I find if the bike sits for awhile w/ both shifters on the "off" position,
i.e both forward, the secondary shifter will not engage easily.
The bike now rests with the primary "off" i.e. in third and the secondary
shifter engaged.
Seems to keep the hub freed up.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c83b9b679.jpeg
Just picked up a SA twist shifter which I plan to use for the high-low range on the left bar & run a trigger shifter on the right. Also got a 6.25" axle & might change it over from the 6.00" axle - doesn't look like theres much room for the bell crank in this picture.

gster 09-09-19 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bomarc (Post 21114654)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c83b9b679.jpeg
Just picked up a SA twist shifter which I plan to use for the high-low range on the left bar & run a trigger shifter on the right. Also got a 6.25" axle & might change it over from the 6.00" axle - doesn't look like there's much room for the bell crank in this picture.

Looks like a fun project.
Valentine at Riders Cycle on Harbord built a nice wheel for me for the 1930 Hercules.

gster 09-09-19 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21114216)
Good luck with it. I spent a few years combing the Toronto bike shops for EA1 tires, it's why I have some stock. I don't think I scoured the Junction or Weston area but I did get to most of the shops over to High Park. Don't forget the Schwinn 26 x 1 3/8 size is also an EA1/597 bead. They don't inflate as hard with their wider profile but they will fit.

Good advice.
There's still an old shop in the Junction that I got a NOS trigger from a couple of years ago.

Bomarc 09-09-19 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21114756)
Looks like a fun project.
Valentine at Riders Cycle on Harbord build a nice wheel for me for the 1930 Hercules.

Thanks, the plan is to build a fake Clubman using parts from a couple of ratty Supercycles. Nothing too extreme - it'll still have some comfy North Road bars and a sprung saddle. I enjoy building wheels and have some CR18 rims & spokes coming in the mail but I'll keep your reference in mind if I run into problems. Cheers.


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