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johnnyspaghetti 01-16-18 10:21 AM

I too am looking for a DL-1 but they are all over $300 & few. Here is one

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...452296299.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_...C1_600x450.jpg

Ballenxj 01-16-18 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20111833)
Speaking of Flickr. I put together a photo album of the best of my original condition Sturmey Archer shifters and a few restoration projects while they were apart.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/150931...57686501575124

I agree, Mr Billy Bones did a good job of documentation via photos. :thumb:

browngw 01-16-18 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20112620)
I don't think you overpaid by much. Bargain DL-1s are pretty rare these days. Nice bike! You are correct. The transfers are post 1972, chainwheel post 73 and the rear mudguard lost it's white blaze in 1979. I love these bikes.

Just for the record @BigChief my serial number verified 1979 DL1 came with the white blaze on the rear mudguard. And thank you for being a steward of the 3 speed information. It has helped me a lot.


A before and after shot of Sir Wayes A. Tonne.

browngw 01-16-18 11:24 AM

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You never know where a DL1 will show up. This past fall I picked up this 77 (minus chain case) at a church bazaar after a neighbor called me about it. The church was happy with my $35 donation. Original tires held air but the internals of the AW were very rusty and non functioning. I think it can be cleaned and rebuilt, but I used another 77 AW in the bin for parts. It did require a longer axle for the DL1. I am working on now. More to come.

roughrider504 01-16-18 01:41 PM

What cotter pins are y'all using these days? I just redid a Sports and used the .99c Pyramid cotter pins. It seems fine.. but I haven't ridden it yet.

browngw 01-16-18 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by roughrider504 (Post 20113309)
What cotter pins are y'all using these days? I just redid a Sports and used the .99c Pyramid cotter pins. It seems fine.. but I haven't ridden it yet.

I have been using generic type cotters left in stock at my LBS. This shop was a Raleigh dealer in the late seventies till the late eighties but had no proper Raleigh taper cotters. I file them to the longer taper required.

Steph Thompson 01-16-18 03:00 PM

this plastic cable stopper is broken! on the top tube of the Raleigh Sports


anyone knows where to get it or fix it in another DIY way? Thanks.

roughrider504 01-16-18 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Steph Thompson (Post 20113485)
this plastic cable stopper is broken! on the top tube of the Raleigh Sports


anyone knows where to get it or fix it in another DIY way? Thanks.

If you're looking for the fulcrum sleeve, they still make them.

https://www.niagaracycle.com/categor...d-in-bag-of-10

roughrider504 01-16-18 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20113467)
I have been using generic type cotters left in stock at my LBS. This shop was a Raleigh dealer in the late seventies till the late eighties but had no proper Raleigh taper cotters. I file them to the longer taper required.

Good to know you've had luck with them. From the looks of yours, mine need to be filed a bit more.

browngw 01-16-18 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by roughrider504 (Post 20113613)
Good to know you've had luck with them. From the looks of yours, mine need to be filed a bit more.

These ones shown are new, not yet used. They still require filing a longer taper, nearly to the end of the cotter.

ddeand 01-16-18 04:36 PM

Well, I finally succumbed to the lure of the 3-speed. My buddy who owns a Robin Hood got me started, and johnnyspaghetti on the forum here sealed the deal. He has been very helpful with my initiation into the cult. I was able to find a 1965 Raleigh Sports that is in pretty darned good condition. The pictures below are of the bike, but the exterior shot is from the seller. The bike as I got it was dirtier, grimier, and the saddle was more deteriorated (may have been stored outside) than the sellers photos. But other than maintenance for a long out of use bike, it's great - everything works! I have the bike mostly torn down, now, and will wait a bit before I tackle the various bearing sets. With a little de-greasing and cleaning and polishing, this should be a pretty good-looking bike.

I have a couple questions about the model, though. It appears to be the standard DL-22 model, but there are a couple decals that I haven't seen on pictures from that era. First id the "Raleigh Deluxe" decal at the top of the downtube, and the other is "Special" decal above "Raleigh" on the chainguard. They look original, but I can find no mention of those designations anywhere. Any ideas? This should be a fun project! Thanks to all who gave me advice when I was just starting to look for a 3-speed.

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737267.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737268.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737270.jpg

BigChief 01-16-18 04:40 PM

Cotters present yet another gamble for wrenchers of old Raleighs. Just like removal, installation can sometimes go perfectly but sometimes it takes a lot of tinkering and patience. The spindle and crank arms are not always machined perfectly, so getting the cotters set at a good depth after pressing in while simultaneously ending up with a close 180 spread of the crank arms can sometimes be a challenge. Or not! You never know.

BigChief 01-16-18 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20113655)
Well, I finally succumbed to the lure of the 3-speed. My buddy who owns a Robin Hood got me started, and johnnyspaghetti on the forum here sealed the deal. He has been very helpful with my initiation into the cult. I was able to find a 1965 Raleigh Sports that is in pretty darned good condition. The pictures below are of the bike, but the exterior shot is from the seller. The bike as I got it was dirtier, grimier, and the saddle was more deteriorated (may have been stored outside) than the sellers photos. But other than maintenance for a long out of use bike, it's great - everything works! I have the bike mostly torn down, now, and will wait a bit before I tackle the various bearing sets. With a little de-greasing and cleaning and polishing, this should be a pretty good-looking bike.

I have a couple questions about the model, though. It appears to be the standard DL-22 model, but there are a couple decals that I haven't seen on pictures from that era. First id the "Raleigh Deluxe" decal at the top of the downtube, and the other is "Special" decal above "Raleigh" on the chainguard. They look original, but I can find no mention of those designations anywhere. Any ideas? This should be a fun project! Thanks to all who gave me advice when I was just starting to look for a 3-speed.

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737267.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737268.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737270.jpg

For a couple of years in the mid 60s, Raleigh offered a budget version of the Sports, model S22 so the Deluxe DL22 version often had that gold Deluxe sticker. Although I've only seen it on the seat tube before. I have never seen graphics like this on any Raleigh chainguard before. The "special" for one and the Raleigh logo seems to be printed on a clear vellum. These were usually varnish transfers which like modern vinyl transfers are individual letters applied directly on the paint. But, you never know with Raleigh. I couldn't tell you for sure that it's not original.

Salubrious 01-16-18 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Steph Thompson (Post 20113485)
this plastic cable stopper is broken! on the top tube of the Raleigh Sports

anyone knows where to get it or fix it in another DIY way? Thanks.

The plastic fulcrum stops can be problematic. If it fails on a ride, you're stuck in 3rd. Raleigh made metal ones but stopped doing that in the 1950s. Fortunately, Jon the Gentleman Cyclist has made metal reproductions.

Here is a link to the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour site.

The Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour

On the left side of the screen is navigation. Scroll down to 'Parts', click and then scroll down. You may see other bits you want :)

browngw 01-16-18 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20113655)
Well, I finally succumbed to the lure of the 3-speed. My buddy who owns a Robin Hood got me started, and johnnyspaghetti on the forum here sealed the deal. He has been very helpful with my initiation into the cult. I was able to find a 1965 Raleigh Sports that is in pretty darned good condition. The pictures below are of the bike, but the exterior shot is from the seller. The bike as I got it was dirtier, grimier, and the saddle was more deteriorated (may have been stored outside) than the sellers photos. But other than maintenance for a long out of use bike, it's great - everything works! I have the bike mostly torn down, now, and will wait a bit before I tackle the various bearing sets. With a little de-greasing and cleaning and polishing, this should be a pretty good-looking bike.

I have a couple questions about the model, though. It appears to be the standard DL-22 model, but there are a couple decals that I haven't seen on pictures from that era. First id the "Raleigh Deluxe" decal at the top of the downtube, and the other is "Special" decal above "Raleigh" on the chainguard. They look original, but I can find no mention of those designations anywhere. Any ideas? This should be a fun project! Thanks to all who gave me advice when I was just starting to look for a 3-speed.



http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737268.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737270.jpg


Nice looking bike @ddeand. Have you found the serial# yet? That might help explain the country of origin and differences in the decals. Raleighs were also made in Canada and many find their way to the US.

johnnyspaghetti 01-16-18 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20113655)
Well, I finally succumbed to the lure of the 3-speed. My buddy who owns a Robin Hood got me started, and johnnyspaghetti on the forum here sealed the deal. He has been very helpful with my initiation into the cult. I was able to find a 1965 Raleigh Sports that is in pretty darned good condition. The pictures below are of the bike, but the exterior shot is from the seller. The bike as I got it was dirtier, grimier, and the saddle was more deteriorated (may have been stored outside) than the sellers photos. But other than maintenance for a long out of use bike, it's great - everything works! I have the bike mostly torn down, now, and will wait a bit before I tackle the various bearing sets. With a little de-greasing and cleaning and polishing, this should be a pretty good-looking bike.

I have a couple questions about the model, though. It appears to be the standard DL-22 model, but there are a couple decals that I haven't seen on pictures from that era. First id the "Raleigh Deluxe" decal at the top of the downtube, and the other is "Special" decal above "Raleigh" on the chainguard. They look original, but I can find no mention of those designations anywhere. Any ideas? This should be a fun project! Thanks to all who gave me advice when I was just starting to look for a 3-speed.

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737267.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737268.jpg

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413737270.jpg

The pedals look good Dean, every thing else too. $50 you better.

johnnyspaghetti 01-16-18 06:37 PM

I begged this guy to buy this so I wouldn't have to.

BigChief 01-16-18 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20113801)
Nice looking bike @ddeand. Have you found the serial# yet? That might help explain the country of origin and differences in the decals. Raleighs were also made in Canada and many find their way to the US.

I have a better theory about the chainguard now that I had some time to think about it. I think that the rectangle I see around the RALEIGH transfer is from somebody masking it off to preserve it while they oversprayed a new coat of black. Then, the same person added the "special" as a custom touch. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it:o

ddeand 01-16-18 10:55 PM

Thanks for the thoughts on the chainguard. The picture I took was with a flash, and it looks a little different in other types of light. Like any new project, it will take some time to sort a few things out.

Ballenxj 01-16-18 11:22 PM

Robin Hood three speed. Please tell me about this one? I read somewhere that it was a separate division owned by Raleigh?
I might have found one.

johnnyspaghetti 01-17-18 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20114287)
Robin Hood three speed. Please tell me about this one? I read somewhere that it was a separate division owned by Raleigh?
I might have found one.

I just bought a Robinhood Sports last weekend. A 1959? rediculous small frame 19" I'm sure I have a friend the will enjoy it. It was just too nice to pass up

johnnyspaghetti 01-17-18 03:31 AM

I will offer 80 60 40.https://images.craigslist.org/00707_...Do_600x450.jpg

BigChief 01-17-18 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20114376)

Paint looks to be in great shape. Somebody geared it down by swapping out the 48T heron crank with what looks to be a 44T. Endrick rims? Maybe this is the budget version S22 they offered for a few years in the 60s or the wheels were changed at some point.

BigChief 01-17-18 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20114287)
Robin Hood three speed. Please tell me about this one? I read somewhere that it was a separate division owned by Raleigh?
I might have found one.

Raleigh had a habit of buying out it's competition and switching production to it's factory in Nottingham. That's why you'll hear talk of bikes being a "pre-Raleigh Hercules" ect. Meaning that it was made in the original Hercules factory in Birmingham before the Raleigh buyout in 1960. Robin Hood was a very early acquisition, 1906, so you won't find many pre-Raleigh Robin Hoods.

Ballenxj 01-17-18 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20114432)
Raleigh had a habit of buying out it's competition and switching production to it's factory in Nottingham. That's why you'll hear talk of bikes being a "pre-Raleigh Hercules" ect. Meaning that it was made in the original Hercules factory in Birmingham before the Raleigh buyout in 1960. Robin Hood was a very early acquisition, 1906, so you won't find many pre-Raleigh Robin Hoods.

Hi BC, I sent you a pm with a link, hoping to get your opinion, thanks. :)

Velognome 01-17-18 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20114067)
I have a better theory about the chainguard now that I had some time to think about it. I think that the rectangle I see around the RALEIGH transfer is from somebody masking it off to preserve it while they oversprayed a new coat of black. Then, the same person added the "special" as a custom touch. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it:o

I had the same bike but in a 23", same type of decals. Not sure what made them Special or Deluxe other then mine had a rear rack and battery operated headlight.

clubman 01-17-18 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20114067)
I have a better theory about the chainguard now that I had some time to think about it. I think that the rectangle I see around the RALEIGH transfer is from somebody masking it off to preserve it while they oversprayed a new coat of black. Then, the same person added the "special" as a custom touch. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it:o

With you...the 'Special' ain't original.

BigChief 01-18-18 08:41 AM

That's where the serial number always is, at least on the older Sports I'm familiar with. This one looks to be made somewhere between 1965 and 68. It has all the features the deluxe model is supposed to have. Brooks saddle, Raleigh pattern rims, alloy kickstand and the nicer single bolt brake levers. The touched up paint on the chainguard could be evened out with polishing compound. If the added special transfer doesn't bug you, I'd leave it. Nice bike.

nlerner 01-18-18 04:11 PM

Good deal on a late model 23" Sports in the Boston area:

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...463431837.html

ddeand 01-18-18 04:25 PM

So Iíve done some cleaning on the chainguard and other spots, and Iíve started the learning process for redoing the various bearings on the bike. But I have another question/issue. The serial number if the bike doesnít appear in any of the normal spots, and the number doesnít correlate to what Iíve found on the internet. Now, I might be looking in the wrong places, too. The serial no. Is on the seat tube just below the seat lug on the non-drive side. The number is 1037683. Any ideas?

http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL41.../413739368.jpg


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