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SynergyPro 02-11-20 11:48 AM

Regarding the Df4, I guess no change.
There is a lot of old stuff on the list... probably stuff that existed before the new rules just had to be submitted and not specifically ridden in a World Cup. Cervelo T4 and T5 are on there (Hope/lotus same debacle as t5?!) and some pretty standard deda stems and a fabric saddle.

interesting are products, mainly extensions made by ero? Probably custom bent extensions for the Canadians.

Morelock 02-11-20 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21323666)
Regarding the Df4, I guess no change.
There is a lot of old stuff on the list... probably stuff that existed before the new rules just had to be submitted and not specifically ridden in a World Cup. Cervelo T4 and T5 are on there (Hope/lotus same debacle as t5?!) and some pretty standard deda stems and a fabric saddle.

interesting are products, mainly extensions made by ero? Probably custom bent extensions for the Canadians.

I believe Len (Lochmiller) has been working on some bars for ERO (and likely US/CAN pursuit) - likely similar to the Wattshop/etc ones.

SynergyPro 02-15-20 08:01 AM

The Argon18 electron is updated. Will try to get photos at worlds.
Different fork and some modification to the Seat junction as far as I can tell for now.

Velo Bike 02-15-20 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21328590)
The Argon18 electron is updated. Will try to get photos at worlds.
Different fork and some modification to the Seat junction as far as I can tell for now.

the Australian Argon18ís have a narrow fork to match their new Zipp discs, and a massive gusset in the top tube and seat tube with a pocket in it to fit an SRM and Crank info power meter.

700wheel 02-17-20 07:59 AM

GCN has a video of Viviani's new De Rosa track bike

The Vision Metron tri spoke wheels have interchangeable hub internals that allow the wheels to be switched front to back. Sounds like a great innovation which allows travel with just one spare wheel.

Update: More on this bike here: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/new...ur-down-under/

SynergyPro 02-17-20 02:49 PM

Hate to say it, but assumed it before... itís the pardus/Holdsworth frame
will be interesting to see what heíll really ride in Tokyo.
reason for the 42cm handlebar is that Vision donít produce a more narrow width with 130mm stem. Although vision 42 measures 40 c-c at the tops (Italian...)

Mavic had interchangeable hubs on the 3G, but I think nobody else toyed with the idea anymore.

queerpunk 02-17-20 03:42 PM

yeah, that's a training bike while he's flying Cofidis colors. The 42cm handlebars give it away. In Tokyo I assume he'll be on a Pinarello.

carleton 02-18-20 02:00 PM

Update:

My "Track Cycling Stopwatch for iPad" is now available again. I updated the code to work for iOS 13 which caused crashes. For what it's worth, the app worked fine, but some of the code features I was using were deprecated (no longer supported) in iOS 13. That's what caused the instability for people who upgraded to iOS 13.

I just got the message from Apple that it was approved. If you don't see it in the store now for download, give it an hour or so to be put on servers around the world and made available.

Deef1908 02-19-20 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21331422)
Hate to say it, but assumed it before... it’s the pardus/Holdsworth frame
will be interesting to see what he’ll really ride in Tokyo.
reason for the 42cm handlebar is that Vision don’t produce a more narrow width with 130mm stem. Although vision 42 measures 40 c-c at the tops (Italian...)

Mavic had interchangeable hubs on the 3G, but I think nobody else toyed with the idea anymore.

funny you see that about his frame , some also said the same about Vivani s frame on YouTube from the GCN video that it looked like the Holdsworth frame

SynergyPro 02-19-20 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Deef1908 (Post 21334109)
funny you see that about his frame , some also said the same about Vivani s frame on YouTube from the GCN video that it looked like the Holdsworth frame

It just is... itís a nice frame though. Ordered one for myself (never built it up, because I got a good deal on a cervelo)
just disappointed itís not a nice Italian handmade frame, what you would expect with the derosa name Tag.

to fill this post with at least some news...
Iím pretty sure the same factory that makes this frame also produces Argon 18.
same seatpost clamp, seatpost and qc stickers/numbers.
also finishing looks very similar and I got information from someone who visited the factory in China (taishan sports).

SynergyPro 02-21-20 12:27 PM

https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....

carleton 02-21-20 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21337025)
https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....


MSRP: $18,000 USD Ė includes pursuit and sprint cockpit, standard and narrow fork, and Zipp wheelset
At that price, why make one frame for sprint and pursuit? The reference LOOKs come in sprint and pursuit variants. Both at around $10K each.

At this level of the sport, why are teams settling for this one-frame-for-all approach?

This is like everyone on the Olympic Track & Field (Athletics) team wearing the same shoes. (Iím being hyperbolic, but you get my point).

SynergyPro 02-22-20 12:39 AM

Yes thatís interesting! But also track geometry changed... we see less steep angles and longer wheelbases.

the only difference with the Look T20 speed or TT is the handlebar. Geometry is the same and also weight as far as I can tell.both are made of ďvery high modulus CarbonĒ.
The T20 has a lot of similarities to the Argon 18 and with a touch under 8000$ is a bargain (still have to source wheels for through axles)

carleton 02-22-20 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21337739)
Yes that’s interesting! But also track geometry changed... we see less steep angles and longer wheelbases.

the only difference with the Look T20 speed or TT is the handlebar. Geometry is the same and also weight as far as I can tell.both are made of “very high modulus Carbon”.
The T20 has a lot of similarities to the Argon 18 and with a touch under 8000$ is a bargain (still have to source wheels for through axles)

You are right. The current LOOK bikes have the same geometry*. I wasn't up on the latest offerings. Thanks for the correction.

I was referring to the older generation. The LOOK 496 (sprint) and 596 (pursuit):

https://i.imgur.com/WR5TasD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hggx5ye.jpg

One neat feature about the new LOOK geometry...they finally have a frame larger than a 56cm TT. Looks like it's 61cm (60.99cm). Nice. Finally. I've been wondering why they haven't done that for years. That's on par with Felt's largest TK.

carleton 02-22-20 04:22 AM

When LOOK did offer the 2 frames above, I did notice that there were several top pursuit riders who opted for the 596 over the more sprint (or all-around) 496:

https://i.imgur.com/6fUNo2g.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BRkFXUk.jpg

I imagine that they chose this frame for the different features offered over the 496.

topflightpro 02-22-20 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by SynergyPro (Post 21337025)
https://www.argon18.com/en/stories/a...0-electron-pro

press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Info up on the web at Friday....

$18k is a lot, but at least you get two forks, two sets of bars, and a set of wheels.

topflightpro 02-25-20 10:20 AM

The new Argon bike also apparently includes an integrated data logger and timing chip. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by "data logger," but Argon a few years ago had developed a system for measuring aero drag on their TT bikes. Maybe that's included?

Morelock 02-25-20 11:10 AM

Argon's system turned into the Notio. I've still got a broken prototype in my garage :(

topflightpro 02-25-20 12:10 PM

Well if it works and is included with the bike, that would be a pretty cool addition and helps justify the $18k price tag.

SynergyPro 02-25-20 01:55 PM

The notio alone is around 950Ä.

i think with data logger itís a inbuilt ant+ computer, but without screen. since they use srm, probably the modified srm protocol.

Quarq had something like that, it was able to capture more data packages in a second and was installed behind the seatpost.
Also the FES powermeter works likes this, captures torque and rpm a couple times a second, data needs to be downloaded after the ride.

I should be able to catch a close look at the Argon 18 tomorrow.

Poppit 02-25-20 02:45 PM

I’ll be there too tomorrow, it’ll be super interesting to see all the new tech. I’ll also wonder how the GB squad will react to losing all the HSBC funding after Tokyo.

KrispyK 02-25-20 07:39 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...597a9ad66b.jpg
What Tri-spoke are they running? I'm assuming its not a Zipp. And do you all think Argon is molding the aerobars or is some other company like speedbar or Aerocoach.

Bike looks great imo

Clythio 02-25-20 10:37 PM

The TT machine seat!! :-O
10cm max degree, on this bars?

carleton 02-25-20 10:39 PM

That rim depth and layup pattern looks like a Zipp 808. My money would be on it being a Zipp wheel. Note the 6 equal-length panels of carbon fiber around the rim. I've only noticed that on Zipp wheels.

It's hard to see it on images from the web due to the decals, but here is one of my old builds where I took the decals off of my 808s.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7e18fad1d9.jpg
I mean, the 808 is the fastest spoked wheel for the track and they've made tri-spokes before:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...adb25f9f1a.jpg

carleton 02-25-20 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by KrispyK (Post 21342928)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...597a9ad66b.jpg
What Tri-spoke are they running? I'm assuming its not a Zipp. And do you all think Argon is molding the aerobars or is some other company like speedbar or Aerocoach.

Bike looks great imo

Also, those aren't BLS toe straps. Did Cycling Australia make their own design or are those some other off-the-shelf product?


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