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RaleighBikeGuy 11-09-13 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 16231767)
I know that Sun CR-19 rims have been written about earlier in this thread but I don't think this issue has come up. I have got tired of the poor braking of my Raleigh Sport in wet weather so I bought two CR-18 590 off Amazon. They arrived today. I am kind of alarmed that the rims are so much narrower than the Raleigh rims on the Sport. My tires are Panaracer Col de la Vie and they are wider than other 590's. They barely clear the fenders on the original rims. Does anyone ride with CR-18 and Col de la Vie(s)? How is the combination? Another concern I have is that the brakes won't work as well on this size rim due to less leverage. Is that an issue?

I am planning to lace them up in a few weeks as time permits but as of now I just opened them and can return them if there are issues. I really like these tires. They transform the ride, IMHO.

Hi Schwinnsta! I have the Cr-18's and the Schwalbe Delta Cruisers on my Sports (which you've ridden)--it is a tight fit, and I had to take pliers to the peak of the front fender and flare the edges out a little bit. However, I do have the Tektro 800a brakes on it, which slightly decreases the fender clearance--though not by much.

Might be a good time to upgrade the brakes (the Tektro 800a's are the way to go as they have more clearance than the more expensive models) and switch to a more typical 590 tire? I'm rode mine through the Chicago winter last year and really enjoyed the excellent braking with this combination!

Schwinnsta 11-09-13 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by RaleighBikeGuy (Post 16233446)
Might be a good time to upgrade the brakes (the Tektro 800a's are the way to go as they have more clearance than the more expensive models) and switch to a more typical 590 tire? I'm rode mine through the Chicago winter last year and really enjoyed the excellent braking with this combination!

Well hi there. I have had those brakes on other bikes and they do work a lot better the stock. For some reason though I was not able to mount them on Raleigh due to clearance issues with the stock fenders. I had Delta Cruisers on the Raleigh and they are nice tires but I prefer the Col de la Vie(s).

RaleighBikeGuy 11-09-13 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 16233527)
Well hi there. I have had those brakes on other bikes and they do work a lot better the stock. For some reason though I was not able to mount them on Raleigh due to clearance issues with the stock fenders. I had Delta Cruisers on the Raleigh and they are nice tires but I prefer the Col de la Vie(s).

Well let us know how it turns out! My gut feeling is you could make them fit--but may have to modify the fender slightly? With a nearly perfect bike like your Sports though you're probably not too eager to irreversibly modify it . . .

JohnDThompson 11-09-13 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 16231767)
I have got tired of the poor braking of my Raleigh Sport in wet weather so I bought two CR-18 590 off Amazon. They arrived today. I am kind of alarmed that the rims are so much narrower than the Raleigh rims on the Sport. My tires are Panaracer Col de la Vie and they are wider than other 590's. They barely clear the fenders on the original rims. Does anyone ride with CR-18 and Col de la Vie(s)? How is the combination? Another concern I have is that the brakes won't work as well on this size rim due to less leverage. Is that an issue?

I don't have "Col de la Vie" tires, but I do run 590 x 38mm tires on CR-18s on my Superbe with no problems.

stove panini 11-09-13 10:11 PM

I have Col de la Vies on CR-18 rims and they work just fine. However, they look a lil' balloon-like on the narrower rim!

oldroads 11-10-13 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 16233527)
Well hi there. I have had those brakes on other bikes and they do work a lot better the stock. For some reason though I was not able to mount them on Raleigh due to clearance issues with the stock fenders. I had Delta Cruisers on the Raleigh and they are nice tires but I prefer the Col de la Vie(s).

One quick/cheap/easy fix we do to improve braking on some of the 3-speeds we sell as commuters in Boston:

a) Clean the wheel's braking surface with soap and then acetone
b) Koolstop brake pads all around
c) Flatbar brake levers like these:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=350017

Schwinnsta 11-10-13 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by oldroads (Post 16234341)
One quick/cheap/easy fix we do to improve braking on some of the 3-speeds we sell as commuters in Boston:

a) Clean the wheel's braking surface with soap and then acetone
b) Koolstop brake pads all around
c) Flatbar brake levers like these:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=350017

Do those brakes have more leverage? I have those on Raleigh Twenty and they help but I put "V" brake upfront, cool stop on the rear and aluminum rim. The braking was dramatically improved but how much was done by what is hard to tell.

oldroads 11-11-13 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Schwinnsta (Post 16235735)
Do those brakes have more leverage? I have those on Raleigh Twenty and they help but I put "V" brake upfront, cool stop on the rear and aluminum rim. The braking was dramatically improved but how much was done by what is hard to tell.

Yes, the leverage helps a lot, as do the Koolstops.
Koolstops and clean rims are the easiest change, so I'd recommend people try that first.

jon.612 11-11-13 09:31 AM

Quite the elegant couple. I have a near carbon copy of these two (a 61 lady's and 63 gent's). The black Sports of the 60s is, in my mind, the true definition of the English three speed.

bwilli88 11-12-13 04:50 AM

Could I fit 27" x 1 3/8 wheels and tires on a Raleigh LTD-3?

Velognome 11-12-13 06:06 AM

27 tire on a 26 rim, no. There might be enough room for a larger wheel set, but you'd need to address brake reach and you'd need appropriate size fenders. I've contemplated a 700c with drum-brake conversion.

gna 11-12-13 10:38 AM

I'm about to put my Raleigh away for the winter, so I'm planning on doing maintenance. I regreased and repacked all the bearings in 2010. I redid the front hub last spring, as it felt a little gritty, and I had to snug up the bottom bracket a bit, but it seems smooth. How often should the bottom bracket be repacked? I put about 1200-1500 miles on the bike each year.

I rotated the Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, but I think they're about worn out. How many miles do you expect to get out of a set of tires? I have some Kenda High Pressure tires I could try, but I really like the Delta Cruisers.

SirMike1983 11-12-13 12:12 PM

I'm of the school the tires should not be rotated, the thought being that the rear tends to wear a bit faster, and you want to keep the better tire on the front because failure up there can be worse at speed.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html

I have a set of Kenda tires on my Raleigh Sports. They've worn quite slowly but are just "ok" as ride quality goes.

PalmettoUpstate 11-18-13 07:10 PM

For the good people gathered here to learn these machines I think you should post a link to your blog where this Schwinn is featured.

I really like the way you've set the old bike up; not too little; not too much... Pretty much just right.

[That is one of the very early "fillet brazed" Schwinns isn't it? - http://www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.html]



Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 16233285)
Not technically an English 3-speed, but rather an American cousin Schwinn.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lX3bRax4aF...09+%282%29.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F4wm4MWk0Z...0/IMG_3013.JPG


arex 11-18-13 09:18 PM

I just got a hold of a '74 Raleigh Sports frame and fork, with the idea of building a fun ride. I've just finished reading this entire thread...cripes, I got some work ahead of me.

sailorbenjamin 11-18-13 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 16239436)
Could I fit 27" x 1 3/8 wheels and tires on a Raleigh LTD-3?

Yeah, actually some of the older Raleigh 10 speeds were Sport frames with 27s and no fenders. I'd assume brakes were different, too.

SirMike1983 11-19-13 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 16257650)
For the good people gathered here to learn these machines I think you should post a link to your blog where this Schwinn is featured.

I really like the way you've set the old bike up; not too little; not too much... Pretty much just right.

[That is one of the very early "fillet brazed" Schwinns isn't it? - http://www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.html]

Thanks. It is fillet brazed. I initially wasn't sure if it was electroforged or fillet, but the magnet test and marks around the joints indicate it's fillet brazed. It's a 1947, so sort of early but not pre-war early. It's much lighter than expected though at the moment needs a flat repair on the rear tire, after I ran over a Sweet Gum spike ball. That time of year I guess...

The blog post for it is here:

http://www.bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2...ld-update.html

noglider 11-19-13 07:35 AM

You call it a spike ball, too? The six year old kid next door called them that, and I thought it was the best name, so we adopted it. We had two of those trees in NJ, and have of our property was covered with them.

SirMike1983 11-19-13 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16258788)
You call it a spike ball, too? The six year old kid next door called them that, and I thought it was the best name, so we adopted it. We had two of those trees in NJ, and have of our property was covered with them.

Yes- they can grow very tall and straight and be nice looking trees, but the spike ball seed pods they drop are murder on bike tires and leaf vacs.

noglider 11-19-13 10:06 AM

The trees were next to our back yard, and my dog learned that it was too hazardous to walk there. They got caught in his paws. That must have been painful.

PalmettoUpstate 11-19-13 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 16258716)
Thanks. It is fillet brazed. I initially wasn't sure if it was electroforged or fillet, but the magnet test and marks around the joints indicate it's fillet brazed. It's a 1947, so sort of early but not pre-war early. It's much lighter than expected though at the moment needs a flat repair on the rear tire, after I ran over a Sweet Gum spike ball. That time of year I guess...

The blog post for it is here:

http://www.bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2...ld-update.html

Thanks for the link; I didn't even realize that the bike was a skip tooth. Might need to get your contact for the hub as I'm debating converting a 20's Ladies Colson to something somewhat similar to you conversion here...

Was that tire thin? I never thought a sweet gum ball could penetrate a bicycle tire... Maybe they are more formidable up there than they are here.

Nice work on that cable-routing too!

SirMike1983 11-19-13 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 16259794)
Thanks for the link; I didn't even realize that the bike was a skip tooth. Might need to get your contact for the hub as I'm debating converting a 20's Ladies Colson to something somewhat similar to you conversion here...

Was that tire thin? I never thought a sweet gum ball could penetrate a bicycle tire... Maybe they are more formidable up there than they are here.

Nice work on that cable-routing too!

It was the basic Kenda blackwall offering for the 597 size, so pretty average street type quality stuff.

The cog is a custom conversion piece that allows you to convert an American skiptooth set up to multi gear. The specs say it should fit Sturmey or Shimano hubs. I had to file mine a bit to get it to fit, but it reasonably well beyond that.

conradpdx 11-20-13 12:48 AM

Ahhh that time of year to kick back by a fire a catch up on all the great threads I've missed this riding season.....(though I think I'm caught up now)...

Got a couple pics I'll probably be posting soon as well since I did get another "new to me" English 3 speed in payment for putting together on Tourist from the corpses of 3 tourists. Originally I was wishing that a second Tourist would be possible out of the three (and that it would be my payment), but it wasn't. But I'm pretty happy with what I ended up, infact I've barely touched the Superbe since then.

moultonguy 11-20-13 03:24 PM

My hub geared RALEIGH interest?
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/152894891545784/


Please check this out?

clubman 11-20-13 07:02 PM

We generally don't mix facebook with this list. Use an image service Photobucket, Picasa etc. It's just how we roll

moultonguy 11-20-13 07:24 PM

sorry clubman, but three forum users already have joined me on facebook to read all the posts and view the pix of my genuine 1954 RALEIGH previously owned by some guy called Reg Harris!

moultonguy 11-20-13 07:35 PM

Make that 4 now...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/152894891545784/

iphthime 11-20-13 07:59 PM

Hi all,

I've been lurking for a while but this is my first time posting. I have recently picked up a 1973 Raleigh LTD-3 (which thanks to you all, I figured out was a variant of the Raleigh Lady Sports) and I would like to replace the front wheel with an alloy wheel without altering the fork. There seems to be one wheel available from a UK seller on ebay, "bankrupt_bike_parts":

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/26-x-1-3-8.../181261095361?

Is this a good idea? Does anyone have experience with this wheel? Including their estimate for US shipping, I think the total will be close to US $100. Thanks!

ETA: Does anyone know of a US source for a wheel like this?

clubman 11-20-13 08:22 PM

Not saying people won't look, it's just not a common procedures on the list, like it or not. Everyone on the list posts pictures outside of Facebook. You wanna ignore everyone else, go ahead. Check the FAQ.

Whatever.

auchencrow 11-20-13 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 16264326)
Not saying people won't look, it's just not a common procedures on the list, like it or not. Everyone on the list posts pictures outside of Facebook. You wanna ignore everyone else, go ahead. Check the FAQ.

Whatever.

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