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markk900 12-27-14 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17419208)
Still can't figure out why a good British three-speed can be so charming, but cares?? Its fun.

British 3-speeds are the bicycle equivalent of a side car - charming, fun, non-threatening and ridden (usually) by approachable people who are smiling. My wife and I get all sorts of smiles, waves and general friendliness from others of all ages on our 3-speeds, that we don't see as much when on road or mountain bikes. Three speeds are recognizably different (though the current popularity of hybrid city bikes will dilute that a bit in the non-cycling public's eyes)

Velocivixen 12-27-14 02:55 PM

@Salubrious - excellent observations. That color green of that Raleigh - is my most favorite bicycle color! Sort of a gold green. Outstanding bicycle. I'll keep my eyes open for a Sport or Superbe. The Hercules seller seems to be off the grid, so I'm not going to pursue that one any more.

adventurepdx 12-27-14 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419017)
The he person selling the Hercules seems to be very ......not sure what to call it. They email and give possible days/timelines as to when I can see, but when I ask for specific location they hedge around. I'm not desperate....just want something to do.

I'm not surprised. When I looked at CL it was posted about a half-dozen times. May be a scam?

But don't despair! There are plenty of other cottered-crank Sturmey-Archer three speeds on Portland Craigslist right now!

Salubrious 12-27-14 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419277)
Outstanding bicycle. I'll keep my eyes open for a Sport or Superbe. The Hercules seller seems to be off the grid, so I'm not going to pursue that one any more.

A couple of (his n hers) Sports at what looks like a nice price here on CL:

1972 His/Hers RALEIGH 3 speed touring bikes 58cm and 59cm

Velocivixen 12-27-14 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17419299)
A couple of (his n hers) Sports at what looks like a nice price here on CL:

1972 His/Hers RALEIGH 3 speed touring bikes 58cm and 59cm

Those look to be gorgeous. Unfortunately I'm in the Portland, OR Metro area, so those are out of reach for me.


@adventurepdx - Thanks for the links all in one place. I saw those, and sort of didn't know how to proceed. One said the hub needs to be replaced or ??? I don't have the knowledge to be able to tell whether it just needs an adjustment or replace. If replace, fine, but I don't know (yet) how to build a wheel. I want something that is rideable now. I might just reach out to see who responds.

adventurepdx 12-27-14 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419346)
@adventurepdx - Thanks for the links all in one place. I saw those, and sort of didn't know how to proceed. One said the hub needs to be replaced or ??? I don't have the knowledge to be able to tell whether it just needs an adjustment or replace. If replace, fine, but I don't know (yet) how to build a wheel. I want something that is rideable now. I might just reach out to see who responds.

I'm no expert, but a lot of times the indicator chain/cable just needs to be adjusted. If you didn't want to tackle that one, I'd consider the other ones. See if any of them catch your eye and go from there.

Salubrious 12-27-14 04:35 PM

The hubs hold up quite well. Usually they are just in need of some degreasing and lubricant. Rotate the wheel so the oil port is pointing down, get a can of WD40, install the nozzle on the can and spray a good deal of its contents into the oil port (its a good idea to have the wheel over something to catch the spillage).

Give the wheel a spin- and repeat. Then measure out a tablespoon of ATF (automatic transmission fluid), put it in a dispenser (a small plastic squeeze bottle will do) and inject it into the oil port (wheel rotated so the port is up this time). Then take the bike for a spin. In a mile or two you will know if the hub actually needs service.

The rule of thumb for the shifter adjustment is that the cable is barely loose in 3rd gear. If the shifter is messed up, it can interfere of course- make sure it moves easily.

Bandera 12-27-14 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419346)
One said the hub needs to be replaced or ??? I don't have the knowledge to be able to tell whether it just needs an adjustment or replace.

:

Here's Timeline of a 1973 Raleigh Sport in the USA

6/15/73 Assembled w/ a sip of SA oil in the hub.

6/16/73 Purchased to "Save Gas" and "Get in Shape"

6/17/73 Ridden down the block in 3rd gear, banished to garage.

6/17/83 Moved to basement.

Yesterday: Advertised on CL as Vintage for 5X original price w/ dry rotten tires, frozen brake cables and a dried up varnish in the hub.

(Most of these machines have more neglect than miles: Caveat Emptor)

-Bandera

Velocivixen 12-27-14 05:49 PM

@Bandera - I got a kick out of your timeline!!! Good to know.

I just watched another video of full disassembly/cleaning/reassembly and adjustment of a SA hub! The big auction site has someone in Oregon selling NOS cone wrench for SA.

I sort of feel like a vulture, circling, waiting for a victim....I mean a bike with a SA hub.

markk900 12-27-14 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419607)
I sort of feel like a vulture, circling, waiting for a victim....I mean a bike with a SA hub.

If you want to slake your thirst, try an older LBS and see if they have a discarded wheel/hub....I bought a couple of hubs (for parts) when I was first thinking about tearing into one (was always intimidated by them as a youngin'), and got one cosmetically challenged one for about $20, and one NOS for about $30. No you can't ride it as a hub, but it sure takes the mystery out of them. Good for parts in future once this habit overtakes you and you really do get that rare one that actually needs bits replaced.

Velocivixen 12-27-14 06:45 PM

@markk900- I'm a regular at two of our well known bike coops in Portland. City Bikes and Community Cycling Center, and am positive that City Bikes will have hubs in various conditions. You're right though. I could just get a hub to tinker with. Then I'd have to learn to make a wheel.

Number_6 12-27-14 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 17416484)
Can someone tell me the year of this Raleigh women's bike and a value….I am thinking about buying it for my girlfriend. Seller wants 100 for it. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=424796

Last month I picked up a 3-speed Sprite and a 23" Sports for $50 each outside of St. Louis. The Sprite is a 25" based on the Record/Grand Prix frame- which is not exactly common I gather. The CL asking price was $300 for both, but I was a ready cash buyer and the fellow wanted to clean out his garage. I almost didn't get the Sports, thinking it was a smaller framed Sprite- as the seller said the big bike was his and the small one was the wife's. I bought it anyway at the last minute without any examination (as the seller offered it up for the same agreed price as the Sprite) with the rationale of using it for parts or maybe fixing it up for a relative. I didn't know what I had until I was halfway across Ilinois and did a liitte Googleing as well as finding out the "small Sprite" was a "big" Sports! So I had two bikes I could use.

That being said, both bikes have a lot of garage rash and neglect, so a serious cleanup and wrenching are in ordee- yet they are pretty complete so I see no or minimal expense in getting them going.

Number_6 12-27-14 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17417950)
Ah, ok. So what 3 speeds might be a nicer step up from say, Miss Marple's machine or such? I see some Austrian made for Sears, etc. but I have no clue who made those. I just searched "3 speed" on CL. I don't want a racing bike, but I also don't want something so bucolic. I'm physically fit and like something that's zippy & responsive, yet stable and comfortable.

The Austrian Sears bikes were made by Puch I beleive and likely have a Sachs-built SA hub.

I've no direct experienmce (yet) but they could be good value. Puch is part of the Steyr-Dainler-Puch combine whose products have ranged from bikes and mopeds to contract-built heavy Mercedes trucks and military 4x4's- they built Euro market Chrysler minivans for Benz back in the Daimler Chrysler days. Sachs license built the SA hub and re-engineered it for rationalizon purposes. Sachs is part of Fichtel and Sachs- makers of all sorts of power tranmission units- the most famous possibly being the old VW Automatic Stickshift.

adventurepdx 12-28-14 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419722)
@markk900- I'm a regular at two of our well known bike coops in Portland. City Bikes and Community Cycling Center, and am positive that City Bikes will have hubs in various conditions.

A Better Cycle on SE Division is another good source of used Sturmey-Archer hubs.

noglider 12-28-14 08:50 AM

@Velocivixen, take a chance on one or more of these bikes, if the prices are low. It's an extremely rare 3-speed hub that can't be brought back into service. They are reliable and durable beyond imagination.

You've proven yourself to be mechanically capable. If it's time to build a wheel, we will walk you through it. Lacing it is a matter of following a pattern, so it's like weaving or knitting. It can be confusing, but you just follow the steps, and you get there eventually. Bringing up the tension is a different skill, and it takes patience. We've walked many people through building their first wheels, and we can do it with you. The results will be very rewarding, and this time of year is a good time to pick the skill up. The only catch is you probably won't need to do this, because, as I said, whatever hub you encounter is likely to work fine.

On the other hand, you may want to try building a 3-speed wheel for your Moto. Or you may acquire a 3-speed and want to replace its rim(s). Replacing the original rims with Sun CR-18 rims is a worthwhile upgrade. They have approximately the same diameter as the originals.

Velocivixen 12-28-14 07:08 PM

@noglider - thank you for the encouragement. I just re-read Sheldon Brown's instruction on wheel building, and I'm certain I could lace one. It's the art & science of trueing the wheel that will take practice.

The Hecules seller is very cagey. I essentially asked when/where after several emails regarding what time they were available. When I said I could meet any time and asked where should I go, I never heard back. They keep resisting it- changing the price daily. The others on our CL don't call to me. If I'm gonna get one it might as well be pretty.

gna 12-29-14 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17419277)
@Salubrious - excellent observations. That color green of that Raleigh - is my most favorite bicycle color! Sort of a gold green.

I believe they referred to it as "bronze green."

noglider 12-29-14 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17421968)
@noglider - thank you for the encouragement. I just re-read Sheldon Brown's instruction on wheel building, and I'm certain I could lace one. It's the art & science of trueing the wheel that will take practice.

Ya, the funny thing is people tend to think the lacing is the hard part. Well, maybe it is for some, but it's just a bunch of steps. You either get it or you don't. Once it's right, it's right. The tensioning-and-truing stage is where there is a continuous scale of skill, where you could have got it "right" but not necessarily "good." But don't worry. You'll get that "good," too.

wahoonc 12-29-14 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 17422740)
I believe they referred to it as "bronze green."

Ya mean like these? :D

Aaron :)

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5442/...6bb0b018_c.jpg

Velocivixen 12-29-14 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 17424524)

Very Pretty. Yes, that lovely bronze green. Living in Oregon I cannot help but to love the color green.

markk900 12-29-14 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17424900)
Living in Oregon I cannot help but to love the color green.

Not that you have any choice! :D

wahoonc 12-29-14 08:03 PM

Funny thing about that Raleigh Bronze Green... it changes colour based on the model year as well as the model of bike. I have 5 or 6 different Raleighs that are all green, only the two Twentys come anywhere close to actually matching.

You can see a bit of the difference in these two (crappy picture) The big one is a 1971/72 Raleigh Superbe the other is a 1973 Raleigh Colt. The Colt is a darker color.

Aaron :)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/...6fa4df09_c.jpg

arex 12-29-14 10:18 PM

For whatever it's worth, when I took my frame to the powdercoater, the closest match was a dark transparent green topcoat over a burnt orange metallic.

Velocivixen 12-29-14 10:30 PM

OK, what's your opinion on this one? A Phillips Step through 3 speed touring bike. Seller says hub says: "Sturmey Archer AG 55 8 DYNO-THREE"

Vintage PHILLIPS Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Touring Bicycle Bike ENGLAND

I think $150 might be steep. Does the 55 on the hub mean 1955? Thanks.

Salubrious 12-29-14 11:08 PM

Yes! 1955 3-speed with the Dyno integrated into one hub. From the looks of it I would jump on it in a heartbeat. It looks like its fairly intact and original with only the pedals missing.

Velocivixen 12-29-14 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17425322)
Yes! 1955 3-speed with the Dyno integrated into one hub. From the looks of it I would jump on it in a heartbeat. It looks like its fairly intact and original with only the pedals missing.

Those aren't the original pedals? Also isn't there supposed to be a clamp on cable stop type piece on the chain stay about 5" from dropouts? I don't see one.

noglider 12-29-14 11:34 PM

Coolest 3-speed I've seen in a long time. If it all works, or even if most of it works, that price is too low, but don't tell the seller I said so. I'm hoping you get this.

gna 12-29-14 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17425273)
OK, what's your opinion on this one? A Phillips Step through 3 speed touring bike. Seller says hub says: "Sturmey Archer AG 55 8 DYNO-THREE"

Vintage PHILLIPS Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Touring Bicycle Bike ENGLAND

I think $150 might be steep. Does the 55 on the hub mean 1955? Thanks.

BUY! Pre-Raleigh Phillips+AG Dynohub+SA Light Kit+Phillips chainring=Too cool for school!

Number_6 12-30-14 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17425273)
OK, what's your opinion on this one? A Phillips Step through 3 speed touring bike. Seller says hub says: "Sturmey Archer AG 55 8 DYNO-THREE"

Vintage PHILLIPS Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Touring Bicycle Bike ENGLAND

I think $150 might be steep. Does the 55 on the hub mean 1955? Thanks.

You really need to call in to work, cancel all appointments, skip breakfast, and get there first thing in the morning.

wahoonc 12-30-14 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 17425330)
Those aren't the original pedals? Also isn't there supposed to be a clamp on cable stop type piece on the chain stay about 5" from dropouts? I don't see one.

Cable stop is on the down tube, pulley behind the chain wheel.

Pedals don't look original, but they do look period... interesting.

It is worth a lot more than what they are asking. That thing is in amazing condition for being nearly 60 years old.

Aaron :)


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