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3speedslow 12-20-15 10:20 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494200 These decal placement and font look just like the style used by Raleigh USA division. Was this a company wide use during the mid 80's.

Over the top price for down here, don't know Toronto market. Still nice His&Her bikes.

BigChief 12-20-15 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 18402548)
Very nice find! Sure looks like it has been unmolested its entire life! I think you are going to enjoy it. I hadn't heard of 23-28 tubing before - does anyone have any background on this vs the more common 20-30?

I've seen those 23-28 tubing stickers on early 50s Raleighs, but don't know exactly when they changed to 20-30. I can say that by 1955 they had the triangular 20-30 stickers.

gster 12-20-15 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18402715)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494200 These decal placement and font look just like the style used by Raleigh USA division. Was this a company wide use during the mid 80's.

Over the top price for down here, don't know Toronto market. Still nice His&Her bikes.

Yeah, $230.00 each is a bit much. $300.00 for the pair.

thumpism 12-21-15 11:44 AM

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While running an errand this morning I stopped at an antique shop where I've seen bikes before. Found at least three made in England and some need homes. This AMF has promise and is not yet too badly weathered and it's wearing an old tag with a faded $125 on it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494387

The little Cavalier is only a CB single-speed but has a nifty compact frame.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494388

And the ladies' Sports rusting out front is next to a 3SC Hawthorne with twin arched top tubes.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494389

thumpism 12-21-15 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18402703)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494197 Lots of nice bits attached to go with that great coffee brown! Early 70's. Might be a 72'. Tires could be replacements so might still be in rideable shape. Nice price!

Looks like a 23" frame, too.

3speedslow 12-21-15 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 18405029)
While running an errand this morning I stopped at an antique shop where I've seen bikes before. Found at least three made in England and some need homes. This AMF has promise and is not yet too badly weathered and it's wearing an old tag with a faded $125 on it.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494387

The little Cavalier is only a CB single-speed but has a nifty compact frame.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494388

And the ladies' Sports rusting out front is next to a 3SC Hawthorne with twin arched top tubes.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494389

The fact that you can just ride by these stores and find 3 speeds hanging around for sale blows my mind. Richmond must have a net out for these English fish !

Any going home with you?

3speedslow 12-21-15 03:34 PM

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Got something else for my 73 Sport and didn't have to look any further then my bin. Was reading earlier the request for 3 speed parts and knew I had extras so was in the shed root in' around. Lo and behold in the bottom of the tub...

a Raleigh kickstand for 26" frames. Completely forgot I had this. Mine did not come with one and from the absence of dents and scratches never had one. Now it does.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494421http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494422 Like how they engineered these to fit inside the small triangle between the stays and bridge.

thumpism 12-21-15 03:47 PM

3speedslow,
None for me right now. Not enough space or time, and I already have three Sportses. The AMF would be nice but I really don't need to spend the money on it. I wish someone would buy these things, but that store is out of town and the customers are all over the furniture and accessories, and no one gives a thought to the bikes rusting away in the yard. If these were at a store in town they'd sell, but would need to be fixed up first. I think any normal customer (not a 3-speed C&V type) would be frightened away by the challenge of bikes in this condition.


Richmond is in love with the old country but, as Tom Robbins wrote, "...longs to wear her knickers, not get into them." Huge Downton Abbey fanbase and Tudor architecture is popular. You'd think more folks would take these Made in England two wheelers to heart.

dweenk 12-21-15 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 18405665)
3speedslow,
None for me right now. Not enough space or time, and I already have three Sportses. The AMF would be nice but I really don't need to spend the money on it. I wish someone would buy these things, but that store is out of town and the customers are all over the furniture and accessories, and no one gives a thought to the bikes rusting away in the yard. If these were at a store in town they'd sell, but would need to be fixed up first. I think any normal customer (not a 3-speed C&V type) would be frightened away by the challenge of bikes in this condition.


Richmond is in love with the old country. Huge Downton Abbey fanbase and Tudor architecture is popular. You'd think more folks would take these Made in England two wheelers to heart.

I hear you. A friend of mine from Richmond bought and delivered a ladies Sports to me last today. His parents live here and he came to see them for the holidays. It cost me all of $20. It is a late 1970's model, dark blue with a silver head tube. It was sitting under a large roof overhang, so most of the frame paint is OK. I may be able to clean up the wheels. The shifter linkage, including the indicator pin and chain is probably trash. The hub shell is rusty but the hub seems to function well on the stand. The seat had been replaced with a Troxel wedge that looks more like a Cheese Head hat than a saddle.

This looks like a bike that could have been in great condition if some one had only draped a simple piece of plastic sheeting over it.

3speedslow 12-22-15 05:19 PM

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Moved a Carradice bag over to the Sport.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494650

gster 12-24-15 11:01 AM

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Christmas Update
Record breaking high temperatures here in Toronto have extended the riding season.
This 1972 Eatons Glider started off as a 3 speed but now sports a 1967/68 Torpedo 2 speed Kick Back hub with a coaster brake. I've added a caliper up front for safety as recommended by Noglider in a previous post. Also on his advice, I've backed off the brakes a bit to give them more "throw".
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494897http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494898http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495286
I've inverted some shortened north road bars and a vintage Speedic saddle.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494899http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494900
The tires are inexpensive Chao Yang brand from China supplied by George at Parkdale bikes.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494901
All in all an interesting ride and the kick back needs a little getting used to, but I do prefer a 3 speed.
Cost of this project:
Bike @ $75.00 (but it did yield some parts to other projects)
Back wheel and hub @ $75.00
New Tires @ $24.00
Front caliber and lever @ $5.00
Odds n' ends @ $10.00

gster 12-24-15 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 18401593)
Take a look here for the story on this one. http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...ays-tonne.html . I will be posting more if BF can make their forum work! Can't inpt

I like to see the progress on these things.

gster 12-25-15 12:06 PM

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More Junk
This one has become my main everyday bike. The saddle bags are very handy for visits to the grocery or beer store. The mattress saddle was badly split so it's been replaced with an old Wright's composite saddle. The paint is rough on this one so it's a good working bike.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495012http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495013
I'm not sure what bike these bars and stem came from originally. I bought them from George at Parts Unknown, but I quite like them.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495014

markk900 12-25-15 01:12 PM

@gster: I like those bars too - are they (and the stem) steel?

gster 12-26-15 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 18413997)
@gster: I like those bars too - are they (and the stem) steel?

Yes, good old fashioned steel.

dweenk 12-26-15 03:13 PM

Raleigh Head badges:

Among my bikes I have the British Raleighs that have "Nottingham England" at the bottom of the badge; I have one that has "Cycle Company of America"; and I have one that has "/////////////".

My assumption is that the "Cycle Company of America" was the Huffy built era, and that "//////////////" indicates Asian built era.

Is that accurate?

3speedslow 12-26-15 04:34 PM

Yes.

3speedslow 12-26-15 04:36 PM

Just so you know. Huffy did not build Raleighs, they were contracted from Japan or Taiwan.

dweenk 12-27-15 09:53 AM

Does anyone manufacture sprung vinyl saddles like the old Brooks/Persons/Messinger models?

gster 12-27-15 10:42 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495283http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495284http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495285

3speedslow 12-27-15 11:31 AM

gster

Thanks for sharing. Are these coming from your personal collection ?

Really like the old ways of advertising bikes. Very visual graphics.

clubman 12-27-15 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18405621)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494421http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=494422 Like how they engineered these to fit inside the small triangle between the stays and bridge.

IMO, the best side kickstand ever made. Doesn't damage the frame, has perfect balance, strong spring and nice design. All because Raleigh made it for their own models. I've got a 28" one stashed away somewhere.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8.../RC%2Bside.jpg

3speedslow 12-27-15 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 18416986)
IMO, the best side kickstand ever made. Doesn't damage the frame, has perfect balance, strong spring and nice design. All because Raleigh made it for their own models. I've got a 28" one stashed away somewhere.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8.../RC%2Bside.jpg

God I love looking at this bike!

Oh, kickstand. Knowing these are around makes me never want to use anything else on any of my old English bikes. Or any others for that matter.

Did they make different sizes for the 26" and 27" bikes or did they just use the 26 stand?

Something else on my list for the CR weekend event to search for.

clubman 12-27-15 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18417003)

Did they make different sizes for the 26" and 27" bikes or did they just use the 26 stand?

Something else on my list for the CR weekend event to search for.

Pretty sure they're identified as 26" and 28" stands. Sounds right, they're generally limited to Raleigh Sports/Roadsters and not on anything considered a road bike, from Records right up the food chain.

gster 12-27-15 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 18416963)
gster

Thanks for sharing. Are these coming from your personal collection ?

Really like the old ways of advertising bikes. Very visual graphics.

I was trolling the interweb and found them and thought I'd share....

BigChief 12-27-15 10:47 PM

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Started work on my Rudge today. This bike was painted over with stick on pin stripping added, so it's going to get new paint. I figured this would be a good time to document an original feature I've not seen before. Not easy to see in the photo are the remnants of 2 small Rudge logo decals on the chainstays near the bottom bracket. The tops of the logos facing the back of the bike. To me,it seems an odd place for decals, but, there they are. One more little detail for us 3 speed lovers.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495452http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495453

Velocivixen 12-27-15 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 18418095)
Started work on my Rudge today. This bike was painted over with stick on pin stripping added, so it's going to get new paint. I figured this would be a good time to document an original feature I've not seen before. Not easy to see in the photo are the remnants of 2 small Rudge logo decals on the chainstays near the bottom bracket. The tops of the logos facing the back of the bike. To me,it seems an odd place for decals, but, there they are. One more little detail for us 3 speed lovers.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495452http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=495453

That's a good looking bike even in it's current state. What's that round looking thing on the lateral aspect of the right chain stay? Does that have anything to do with a kickstand? Never seen something like that.
Why would there be Rudge logo decals on the chain stays?

Narhay 12-28-15 02:41 AM

These tires came off a 1978 Raleigh Superbe. I've found this tread pattern on a number of old 3 speeds and it seems to have disappeared over the years. The tires may be old but they are very plush.




http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4upexhnf.jpg

BigChief 12-28-15 05:20 AM

That's a mount for an enclosed chain case. I guess some domestic models used them in the mid 50s and they didn't bother to make special frames for hockey stick chainguards. Raleigh stopped adding them around the same time as they eliminated the BB oil port and brazed on shifter cable pulley. It is an odd place for decals, but I'm sure they're original. I have seen these on the forks before but not the chainstays. Now I have to decide if I want to try to replace them when I do the new finish.

nlerner 12-28-15 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18418146)
That's a good looking bike even in it's current state. What's that round looking thing on the lateral aspect of the right chain stay? Does that have anything to do with a kickstand? Never seen something like that.
Why would there be Rudge logo decals on the chain stays?

I've also never seen the oiler port on the drive side like that. It's usually on the NDS for easier access.


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