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PalmettoUpstate 12-14-16 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19251277)
Interesting. According to the brochure, the "shpg weight" for that bike was 43 lbs. Folks here were just discussing the different frame materials between Schwinn and Raleigh, and how the Schwinns were notably heavier. That seems to support the theory. Has anyone here weighed a similarly-equipped Raleigh Sports?

I don't think that figure can be interpolated as the actual weight of the bike. IMO, it probably reflects the bike weight AND packaging material. I'd be surprised if it weighed more than 38 lbs.

BTW, this bike is at the top of my "Bucket List" - not that it is any better than a nice Raleigh but it is oh so much rarer!

Also, those Bluemel's fenders are not correct on the bike to the best of my knowledge. Maybe a Schwinn aficionado can enlighten us...

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19251277)
Interesting. According to the brochure, the "shpg weight" for that bike was 43 lbs. Folks here were just discussing the different frame materials between Schwinn and Raleigh, and how the Schwinns were notably heavier. That seems to support the theory. Has anyone here weighed a similarly-equipped Raleigh Sports?

I'm wondering if that shipping weight is including all accessories and the shipping box/crate. The Paramount is chromoly, so the frame itself should theoretically be noticeably lighter than a similar Raleigh.

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 19251823)
BTW, this bike (Schwinn Paramount three speed) is at the top of my "Bucket List" - not that it is any better than a nice Raleigh but it is oh so much rarer! Also, those Bluemel's fenders are not correct on the bike to the best of my knowledge. Maybe a Schwinn aficionado can enlighten us...

According to the flickr photo album description that I posted above, this Paramount is a restoration project. Not only does it have some different parts than stock (like the wheels) but it was repainted.

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by teisco (Post 19251304)
Of course the Paramount would be the ultimate but way out of my price range. Is a beauty though.

My post wasn't necessarily directed at you. (And I don't know if this particular Paramount is for sale.)

PalmettoUpstate 12-14-16 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19251837)
According to the flickr photo album description that I posted above, this Paramount is a restoration project. Not only does it have some different parts than stock (like the wheels) but it was repainted.

Did you do the resto?

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 19251844)
Did you do the resto?

Oh gosh, no. You don't want me to get near bikes like this! :)
I'm just simply reposting something interesting that I found on the internets. Guess I didn't make myself clear. But to make myself clear, I have no connection to this bike or the person behind it.

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19251276)
Can you believe they'd leave the PV locknut like this?!? For shame!
Attachment 545846

Because it's not really a bike thread on an internet forum until someone points out what's wrong with it! :rolleyes:

PalmettoUpstate 12-14-16 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19251851)
Oh gosh, no. You don't want me to get near bikes like this! :)
I'm just simply reposting something interesting that I found on the internets. Guess I didn't make myself clear. But to make myself clear, I have no connection to this bike or the person behind it.

Well it's beautiful work. Problem is, from my point of view, it's a beautiful "Frankenbike"...

Seriously, I have been looking for one of these - primarily using the "secret" Google Alert method that Tom Reingold shared a few years back - and they just don't show up.
@noglider ha-ha!

adventurepdx 12-14-16 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate (Post 19251862)
Well it's beautiful work. Problem is, from my point of view, it's a beautiful "Frankenbike"...

I get that. I sort of figured that someone would point out what's "wrong" with this bike, since whomever this is didn't try to restore it exactly like it would be from 1951. But I'm okay with that, as to me, it's the spirit that counts and it looks good. It's a lot better than the 40's Schwinn Superior that was posted on Portland CL for a bit, where the owner put 700C wheels and a modern cotterless crankset on there. And my 1968 Raleigh Superbe has a bunch of new bits on it that wouldn't have been available back then, but still looks the part. To each their own.

thumpism 12-14-16 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19251853)
Because it's not really a bike thread on an internet forum until someone points out what's wrong with it! :rolleyes:

That's why I run without those locknuts. You'll never catch me out with a faux pas like that. Nunh-unh.

PalmettoUpstate 12-14-16 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19251867)
I get that. I sort of figured that someone would point out what's "wrong" with this bike, since whomever this is didn't try to restore it exactly like it would be from 1951. But I'm okay with that, as to me, it's the spirit that counts and it looks good. It's a lot better than the 40's Schwinn Superior that was posted on Portland CL for a bit, where the owner put 700C wheels and a modern cotterless crankset on there. And my 1968 Raleigh Superbe has a bunch of new bits on it that wouldn't have been available back then, but still looks the part. To each their own.

Oh I don't mean any of that as a knock; just saying that this wouldn't be one I'd consider for the Bucket List.

Peace.

PalmettoUpstate 12-14-16 07:44 PM

1899 Schwinn Quad - best of all - it's a 3-speed!

http://schwinncruisers.com/catalogs/...n_model_41.jpg

SirMike1983 12-14-16 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19251833)
I'm wondering if that shipping weight is including all accessories and the shipping box/crate. The Paramount is chromoly, so the frame itself should theoretically be noticeably lighter than a similar Raleigh.

Yes, I believe it does include the shipping materials. The chromoly Continental I have is noticeably lighter than a Raleigh Sports. Just about everything is lighter, particularly the frame, fenders and wheelset. I would say the Paramount might be even a bit lighter than that. I was surprised how light the Continental was when I got it.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gJzn-gSPw...029_172245.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eIDW1z9At...022_170143.jpg

BigChief 12-15-16 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19252072)
Yes, I believe it does include the shipping materials. The chromoly Continental I have is noticeably lighter than a Raleigh Sports. Just about everything is lighter, particularly the frame, fenders and wheelset. I would say the Paramount might be even a bit lighter than that. I was surprised how light the Continental was when I got it.

Where do you find these great bikes? Oh well, a cro-mo Brit club bike was always on the top of my wish list and I haven't found one of those either. Good thing I'm on a roadster kick. Still some of them around.

noglider 12-15-16 01:11 PM

@PalmettoUpstate, if you include other craigslist sites than your local one, you'll see them. I see plenty of nice 3-speeds for sale here, though they're not cheap. The high asking prices seem fair, though, especially if you'll be riding the bike and locking it up outside. It's a durable, theft-resistant bike.

nlerner 12-15-16 01:35 PM

A buddy of mine has an early Paramount set up as a 3-speed. It's a very cool bike:

https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8278/2...53374033_z.jpgIMG_2777.JPG

https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8138/3...a2ed7e5b_z.jpgIMG_2786.JPG

https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5340/3...a744a537_z.jpgIMG_2787.JPG

https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5613/2...064085d8_z.jpgParamount.jpg

SirMike1983 12-15-16 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19252401)
Where do you find these great bikes? Oh well, a cro-mo Brit club bike was always on the top of my wish list and I haven't found one of those either. Good thing I'm on a roadster kick. Still some of them around.

I keep an eye out where old US balloon tire bikes turn up, both online and in-person. The US lightweights turn up more often where you have US ballooners from that era as well. I have seen a few on eBay, but not as many.

I think you are right that the Continental, Superior, and Paramount bikes of the 1930s- early 50s are more like an English Clubman level than a Sports. I think the New World sort of goes to the same level as the Sports.

desconhecido 12-15-16 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19253325)
A buddy of mine has an early Paramount set up as a 3-speed. It's a very cool bike:


https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5340/3...a744a537_z.jpgIMG_2787.JPG

That is a very cool bike with a very interesting headset arrangement. Do you know that headset all fits together? Looks like it's part of the lug -- must be something pressed into it, I'd guess.

nlerner 12-16-16 08:54 AM

I've seen those integrated headset cups on other bikes from that era, but I don't know how common it is. @rhm might know better than I.

rhm 12-16-16 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 19254026)
That is a very cool bike with a very interesting headset arrangement. Do you know that headset all fits together? Looks like it's part of the lug -- must be something pressed into it, I'd guess.

Look at this photo on Velobase:

http://velobase.com/CompImages/Heads...CAB7B4390.jpeg

Don't be distracted by the fact that this Chater Lea headset uses a headclip rather than the usual threaded upper race. The three circles at the bottom of the photo are the frame races and the fork crown race. Each of the frame races fits snugly into a recess in the head lug, which is why the lug has that bulge. The races are not conical; the bearing surface is a circular channel that may be filled with oil, rather than grease. I suspect --I speculate-- that that is the feature that made these attractive to racers. At that time, some racers thought oiled bearings would spin faster than greased ones, which is why hubs, bottom brackets, and even headsets and pedals had oil ports.

thumpism 12-16-16 10:00 AM

Anybody need a new-ish men's Sports in 23"? I think he's wrong about the year.

MENS 1972 RALEIGH LTD 3 BIKE

MENS 1972 RALEIGH LTD 3 BIKE - $159 (CHESTER)

https://images.craigslist.org/00q0q_...aT_600x450.jpg

NICE EXCELLENT SHAPE

nlerner 12-16-16 01:21 PM

So this isn't a Raleigh 3-speed as Frank Bowden might have intended, but I came across a somewhat rough 1973 Super Course a few weeks ago for small money and decided to build it up as an English club bike using parts I had on hand. The rear wheel is a 700c Matrix rim laced to a Sturmey Archer alloy AM hub with AW internals (yeah, kind of an odd story). Front is a matching rim laced to a Normany high-flange alloy hub with S-A wing nuts. Williams crankset, Challenge 30mm Eroica tires, top tube trigger modified from an S-A downtube shifter and an old clamp, Brooks B17 and SR/Raleigh post, GB bars and Titan stem, Weinmann levers and Weinmann 750 cp brakes, Honjo fenders. I've only had it out for a short test ride as we're in the midst of a cold snap, but it felt smooth.

https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/717/30...2c11c3e9_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman1

https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/575/31...87c72c98_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman3

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/460/31...677e1386_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman4

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/579/31...6d60e23e_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman5

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/140/30...a4da0c19_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman6

https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/272/30...2afffd51_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman7

https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/306/30...c174d9fd_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman10

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/514/31...8b1495a0_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman9

dweenk 12-16-16 01:28 PM

Hercules, Not 3 Speed, But Nice
 
I think it is overpriced mainly due to the missing chaincase.
1929/1930 Hercules Popular single speed, perfect mechanical condition

dweenk 12-16-16 01:29 PM

I forgot to mention the headlight.

arex 12-16-16 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19255195)
So this isn't a Raleigh 3-speed as Frank Bowden might have intended, but I came across a somewhat rough 1973 Super Course a few weeks ago for small money and decided to build it up as an English club bike using parts I had on hand. The rear wheel is a 700c Matrix rim laced to a Sturmey Archer alloy AM hub with AW internals (yeah, kind of an odd story). Front is a matching rim laced to a Normany high-flange alloy hub with S-A wing nuts. Williams crankset, Challenge 30mm Eroica tires, top tube trigger modified from an S-A downtube shifter and an old clamp, Brooks B17 and SR/Raleigh post, GB bars and Titan stem, Weinmann levers and Weinmann 750 cp brakes, Honjo fenders. I've only had it out for a short test ride as we're in the midst of a cold snap, but it felt smooth.

https://c5.staticflickr.com/1/717/30...2c11c3e9_z.jpg1973_SC_Clubman1

How many teeth are on the sprocket and chainring?

nlerner 12-16-16 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 19255244)
How many teeth are on the sprocket and chainring?

48t chainring and 22t cog. It's a bit under-geared, and ideally I'd put a 20t cog on, but 19t and 22t is all I had in the bin. I'll live with that for a while before making any changes.

adventurepdx 12-16-16 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19255212)
I think it is overpriced mainly due to the missing chaincase.
1929/1930 Hercules Popular single speed, perfect mechanical condition

I'm no expert, but I don't think it's that unfair, especially since it's a pre WWII British bike in the US. As for the missing chaincase, the seller said in the descrip: This model did not come with a chainguard, as evidenced by the 1930 catalog (see picture).
https://images.craigslist.org/00f0f_...T9_600x450.jpg

drday 12-16-16 05:36 PM

1960 Raleigh Sports
 
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This is probably on the mundane side for most but, it is a nice bike and complete. It has all the features that the Superbe is to have. Locking fork, light set with ('59) dynohub. Someone tried to convert it to a nine speed using a Moyne 3 gear freewheel, '62 Simplex plastic dérailleur but failed. First attempt at posting a picture. This is a before picture, I have since cleaned and overhauled it.

thumpism 12-16-16 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19255195)

Neat. I have a Pro frameset hanging up and plans to do something similar.

desconhecido 12-16-16 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by drday (Post 19255641)
This is probably on the mundane side for most but, it is a nice bike and complete. It has all the features that the Superbe is to have. Locking fork, light set with ('59) dynohub. Someone tried to convert it to a nine speed using a Moyne 3 gear freewheel, '62 Simplex plastic dérailleur but failed. First attempt at posting a picture. This is a before picture, I have since cleaned and overhauled it.

Is that a Datsun Roadster? I used to have a numberof those. 64 1500 and then a 2000.


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