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10-07-22, 07:13 PM
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Posted By smasha

This is where I live. ...

This is where I live.



https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130078074/hundreds-of-thousands-of-dollars-worth-of-stolen-property-recovered-in-wellington-police-operation
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10-07-22, 07:06 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

1- The bike could very easily be a target for...

1- The bike could very easily be a target for theft, even with a good lock. The point there is that it's unlikely anyone (where I live) would steal the components off of it, while it's locked up.
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10-01-22, 12:15 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Agreed. But this bike will be mostly Deore level...

Agreed. But this bike will be mostly Deore level parts. I don't think that's too much of a target for theft. Sure, if someone can grab the bike easily, it'll get grabbed, but I can't picture anyone...
09-30-22, 08:10 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

I'm not arguing, I'm asking you to clarify what...

I'm not arguing, I'm asking you to clarify what seems to be one the most nonsensical assertions yet, in this thread. Go back and read it.
09-30-22, 08:07 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

1- "Professional" thieves don't steal...

1- "Professional" thieves don't steal dozens/hundreds or bikes so they can have dozens/hundreds of bikes; they steal bikes to sell them. What's the resale value of a nice bike that looks like hell?...
09-29-22, 08:19 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

In a target rich environment full of good bikes...

In a target rich environment full of good bikes that are poorly locked, why are you "sure they wouldn't have been deterred had the beater bike been locked with a heavy duty lock"?

When better...
09-29-22, 12:22 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

That's not booger-flinging, that's just a...

That's not booger-flinging, that's just a different solution to a different problem.
09-29-22, 12:20 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

As I pointed out from the beginning: Thieves will...

As I pointed out from the beginning: Thieves will break crappy locks to steal crappy bikes, and they'll break good locks to steal good bikes.

The question that remains unanswered, is what's the...
09-28-22, 10:40 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Sure, thieves will break a dollar-store lock to...

Sure, thieves will break a dollar-store lock to steal a crappy bike; I've previously stated that.

Will they break a good lock (properly used) to steal a beater-bike? Anecdotally, I don't know of...
09-28-22, 03:07 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Her good lock (I don't know how good) was busted...

Her good lock (I don't know how good) was busted when the first bike was stolen, and the beater-bike was locked with a crappy lock.

So it does not answer my question.
09-27-22, 07:08 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

I am an engineer by training, by experience, and...

I am an engineer by training, by experience, and by nature.
09-27-22, 07:04 PM
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Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

I would argue that it's sad how people get so...

I would argue that it's sad how people get so upset when their bike gets a scratch in the paint.

This new bike was literally scratched before I picked it up from the shop. I appreciate that they...
09-27-22, 06:58 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

base2 has made a few comments that explained...

base2 has made a few comments that explained better options. That's what I call both (a) disagreeing and (b) adding value to the discussion.

While most everyone else is just complaining about...
09-27-22, 06:47 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

It's got a D-Fuse seatpost. No QR. I'll...

It's got a D-Fuse seatpost. No QR.

I'll probably swap out that standard bolt with a security-bolt. And depending on circumstances, tie two plastic shopping bags over the (nice) saddle.
09-27-22, 06:44 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

But, but... 8 U-locks on one bike is just being...

But, but... 8 U-locks on one bike is just being paranoid.

Also; If it's stupid but it works, then it isn't stupid.

Seems a lot of people here have committed the first axiom to memory, but...
09-27-22, 06:41 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

What it potentially offers, is that it would be...

What it potentially offers, is that it would be unattractive to thieves who would otherwise break good locks to take decent bikes. You don't understand that???

Complain all you want about how much...
09-27-22, 06:35 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

If you don't understand the average bike thief,...

If you don't understand the average bike thief, then you presumably have little basis for speculating about how to deter him/her. You can can comfortably fall back to "this is the way I've always...
09-27-22, 10:26 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Finally, someone sharing ideas and explaining...

Finally, someone sharing ideas and explaining why, rather than just complaining that they're offended by the idea of "defiling" the aesthetics of a new commuter bike.

OK... So maybe just a little...
09-27-22, 10:04 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

The first two items in your list are within my...

The first two items in your list are within my control, and done.

The 3rd item would not be within my control. Anecdotally, and consistent with research I've seen, the more effort that's required...
09-27-22, 09:53 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Not entirely. Seems like we both ride...

Not entirely. Seems like we both ride nice/expensive commuter bikes, and both take reasonable precautions to prevent theft.

My "minimum" security tends to be a U-lock through the rear-wheel and...
09-27-22, 09:37 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Don't conflate you not liking an idea with that...

Don't conflate you not liking an idea with that idea being wrong.

It may not be the best/right answer for you, but you have not explained why my idea wouldn't be right for me.
09-27-22, 09:34 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

1- If they want to do that, then it wouldn't make...

1- If they want to do that, then it wouldn't make an ugly-bike any more of a target. Any bike that's not locked as well as mine is an easier/ more attractive target. I'm not trying to rely on ugly;...
09-27-22, 09:23 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Last time I had a bike stolen, I was a little...

Last time I had a bike stolen, I was a little kid. My parents were reading me a bed-time story, we didn't think much of the noises we heard outside the window, but that was my bike being stolen off...
09-27-22, 12:21 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

If I want to buy a piece of art, I'll buy a piece...

If I want to buy a piece of art, I'll buy a piece of art.

I'm not buying a new bike to appreciate its aesthetics, I'm buying a new bike to get from point-A to point-B. When I'm not riding it, it...
09-26-22, 08:54 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

This has me thinking... Maybe just a splotch of...

This has me thinking... Maybe just a splotch of orange or blue spray-paint to make the bike easier to identify?

Maybe even make it not ugly, but just conspicuous?
09-26-22, 08:50 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

No. If someone wants to explain *why* an...

No.

If someone wants to explain *why* an idea is wrong, and/or *why* other ideas are better, that's productive disagreement.

Instead, much of the discussion resembles bickering children, each...
09-26-22, 08:15 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

No one has actually disagreed with me, in any...

No one has actually disagreed with me, in any productive way. A lot of other opinions have been presented, but almost no one has explained why they think I'm wrong; almost no one has explained why...
09-26-22, 08:07 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

“It’s Not Paranoia If They Really Are Out to Get...

“It’s Not Paranoia If They Really Are Out to Get You.”

Don't make me guess; impart some wisdom on us all.
09-26-22, 08:03 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Where I am, things aren't that bad, yet. eg,...

Where I am, things aren't that bad, yet.

eg, it's exceedingly rare that lights and saddles and wheels get stolen. Whole bikes will get stolen, and that's becoming disturbingly common, but this...
09-25-22, 11:44 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Worst I've experienced was with the bike locked...

Worst I've experienced was with the bike locked up outside a bar, someone stick a toothpick-umbrella into the saddle, which was wrapped in plastic shopping bags.

Around here the concern is...
09-25-22, 11:40 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

I can rock the Mad Max aesthetic. As for...

I can rock the Mad Max aesthetic.

As for wheels, wherever bikes are parked, there's always a compatible wheel that's nearby and easy to steal. Locking the front-wheel (either remove it and lock it...
09-25-22, 11:27 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

From memory, I know I've heard one story about...

From memory, I know I've heard one story about someone who lost a very expensive bike this way. They left it locked up to a railing with a U-lock around the railing and the top-tube. 20-30 minutes...
09-25-22, 11:23 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

If a "rust" paint job is done well, I'd consider...

If a "rust" paint job is done well, I'd consider it to be a work of art. Just because it's ugly to you or anyone else doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy it.

Any bike that's not locked up well is liable...
09-25-22, 11:17 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

I do make my bikes hard to steal. I'm...

I do make my bikes hard to steal.

I'm thinking that if it's hard to steal *AND* ostensibly looks like a turd, it's safer.

Kind of the middle ground here is making it hard to steal and (ugly)...
09-25-22, 11:13 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Maybe reflective tape? Maybe just duct-tape? ...

Maybe reflective tape? Maybe just duct-tape?

After a few years, removing it may damage the factory paint… So a can of spray-paint may still be the way to go. And with pictures, some spray-paint...
09-25-22, 11:07 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

That may work for you, but I'm more concerned...

That may work for you, but I'm more concerned about keeping my bike, and not as concerned about a bike that looks pretty.

And I may be crazy, but I'd consider a well done "rust" paint job to be a...
09-25-22, 11:01 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

And when I use and enjoy the commuter bike to get...

And when I use and enjoy the commuter bike to get where I'm going, and I have to lock it up outside for a few hours...?

In case it's not clear: I'd rather have a bike that's aesthetically "ugly"...
09-25-22, 10:52 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Most/all of the comments seem more concerned...

Most/all of the comments seem more concerned about projecting how the aesthetics would make me not enjoy the bike, which is not a concern of mine, rather than whether or not one of these paint jobs...
09-25-22, 09:11 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

1- Sure, I appreciate pretty bikes, but this is a...

1- Sure, I appreciate pretty bikes, but this is a commuter bike that's meant to be used, and that means it'll get some wear. This particular bike actually got a scratch on it while the shop was...
09-25-22, 08:41 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

If it was pink, day-glow-green, and/or...

If it was pink, day-glow-green, and/or light-purple, I wouldn't enjoy it.

A blue/grey, red, orange rust palette I could actually enjoy. It has kind of a punk, NYC, Mad-Max aesthetic, which I'm...
09-25-22, 08:09 PM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

It seems like most of the comments are missing...

It seems like most of the comments are missing the point; different types of bike thieves steal different kinds of bikes.

A decent lock (used properly) will stop someone from stealing a bike just...
09-25-22, 10:22 AM
Replies: 180
Views: 4,401
Posted By smasha

Theft prevention: Deface make and model?

To stop a thief, think like a thief…

If someone wants to steal an unlocked or poorly locked bike for convenience, they'll take what's convenient, no matter how good or bad it is. If someone wants...
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