Originally Posted by masi61

That’s interesting (your experience with the Quill). I have a set in 28 front/32 rear in polished that I was planning on asking my LBS mechanic to build up for me. He has built all my wheels for me over the last 20 years. After he builds me a set of wheels he usually says how true it stayed as he built it up and if there were any uneven spoke tension issues he ran into. My everyday A23 wheelset were 32 front / 36 rear and he used the lighter butted DT Swiss (Revolution?) spokes and alloy spike nipples. He is a proponent of just enough spoke tension. He hand stress relieves this wheels 2 or 3 times then trues as needed. But once they are ridden they typically require at least one follow up minor tension and true (there is no charge for this). Once we’re there, the A23’s have been great.

I hope your 2nd experience building up a Quill rim is better. I know the extrusion is thinner than older clincher rims but as far as I know the extrusion is pretty technical - the semi aero shape has a bit more inherent strength than a box section rim. Also I believe the extrusion is slightly thicker at the top of the curve where the spoke holes are so cracking at the spoke holes does not appear to be an issue.

I wondered if the OP is even using 700c rims? He/she doesn’t say. If it is a commuter bike then yeah, I’d be interested in hearing about the Velocity Cliffhanger.