Originally Posted by
waddo
Ortlieb are as heavy as hell empty. THAT is though said. The fabric is too stiff and hard to handle. I hate mine and only stick with them because they include a very nice shoulder strap so I can carry them and my bike when getting on trains in Japan. I would not recommend them at all.
They are lighter than the comparable Arkel panniers by about 400g. There are lighter panniers out there but those aren’t necessarily water
proof. As for stiffness, that’s the reason I like them. They hold their shape. When touring, I don’t take usually take them off to carry them around and for commuting, I have other bags I use that are easier to carry.