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Old 02-05-23, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Germany_chris
IIRC the average car trip in the states was less than 6 miles.

Ive lived car free in MI, upstate NY, OH, and HI but utility cycling is better and easier here in Europe since it’s seen as a valid form of transportation. The Dutch still own cars and campers and the like, they invade Germany, Italy, and Croatia a couple times a year.

Changes to how we work, live, and move are coming and they’re coming quickly
My minimum car ride is 6+ miles, 2 of it up a 6% hill.
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