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Originally Posted by gauvins
Even though the evidence on the efficacy of high vis gear appears to be inconclusive, I suppose that it falls in the "might as well" category...

What is your take on this? More specifically -- jacket vs vest vs "harness"? Is there an agreed upon "best" garment? Any downside?
That evidence will stay inconclusive. Non-hits because the driver +made a simple course change never get recorded.

If I ever wind up in court, say suing for damages and lost of good life after a preoccupied driver hit, I might wear the jersey I was wearing that day (or a clean one of the same pattern) under say a dress sweater. After the defense claims they didn't see me, I'd pull the sweater off. If the judge objects to this improper court room decorum, I'd approach him and say loud enough for the jury to hear that the defense had pointed out that I was hard to see in broad daylight so I figured that wouldn't be an issue here.

I was hit by a car running a red while I was wearing a very bright solid colored jersey. Considered wearing its sister to court and bringing my take-home bag from the hospital stay with the ripped and bloodied one. Had the defense object to the jersey as not what I was wearing that day, I'd have puled out the real one - which I had not seen since they put me under at the trauma unit. Not what the defense would ever want the jury to see! No, I wouldn't really do this but it's a fun thought. (Insurance settled for a lot so I never got to test the jersey evidence.)

Jacket vs vest vs harness? Square footage of bright material counts for a lot. Then there is practicality. Breath-ability, sweat. I try to have all my outer visible layers very bright. (Don't always. The cycling industry seems obsessed with this idea that black is fast so vests and pullovers should be black. Likewise armwarmers; the most visible parts of properly signaled turns.) Cycling shorts and tights. I don't mind the shorts and tights so much because the reality is they do not show the black of chain grease, road dirt and leather dressing for seats.

I use: Yellow Showers Pass jackets (and bugged them for years when they drifted away to dark colors), a standard bike orange mesh vest with yellow reflective stripes and flashers on the waist belt located just forward of my hips - aimed at left turning oncoming traffic and cars pulling out of right hand streets and a white helmet. Yellow or white fenders on 4 of my 5 fendered bikes. (The bike of my avatar photo has silver fenders. Looks really good on it and I am reluctant to change, but like my silver Tercel of years ago, I am very aware the whole bike is invisible in the low grey skies and low sun of NW winters. That I have to dress even brighter. Bright jerseys, as close to single color and no pattern as I can get. (And I try to observe cyclists when I drive. What jerseys, etc. stand out to my eyes? Two that very often don't - bright red and even very bright patterns of camouflage-like shapes.)

For me, a very real part of what I will wear is that it needs to be comfortable, manage heat and sweat well and be easy to change and vary as the days warm up or later cool down. As I don't (currently) tour, this means my clothing needs to be jersey pocket compatible or I have to mount a bag or strap to carry it. Touring would change the details of what I bring and wear but not the substance.

Showers Pass - a local outfit. Good stuff made here by real cyclists. I've heard arguments on this forum that it isn't the best for day after day of wet where dying never happens. So I am not promoting it for touring. And I have no affiliation with SP except as a rather happy customer (who really got on the nerves of the woman who greets customers as she did so many repairs and waterproofings of my very tired favorite jacket. I'd browse the current selection while she repaired it, then thank her but tell her I wasn't buying a new jacket because I did not want to become road kill. (The joke - I've never seen a dead yellow squirrel.) Their yellow is back - and on really nice jackets! And she no longer dreads seeing me.

Edit: I think I answered and ancient post but so be it.

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