I'm in agreement on the Cervelo, and COSTCO has increased the price of the 28 pound Intense by $1,000 (my son purchased one at the lower price), making the Cervelo an even more attractive consideration. AIR, there is a relatively recent thread initiated by a member who purchased one. If you are beset by a desire to DIY, maybe you can get a LBS with an overstock to dissemble a bike and sell you just the frame.