Originally Posted by Psimet2001

Every area is different but in the Chicago area almost everyone has been on PDX for all conditions. There are a few who swear by the MXP but tbh in all of the years I have been selling and gluing and maintaining all of the hundreds of wheels for cross that I do - I have probably only sold about 30-40 mxp when compared to over 1000 PDX.

For tubeless - PDX WC is nice but tbh I am not a huge fan of tubeless for cross. I did a lot of back room interviewing of pros and not many are actually in favor of running tubeless. I get it though - everyone is afraid of tubulars nowadays (except for that tier of people who race at the top of their local areas that I still find beating a path to my door). BUT... Michelin just reintroduced the Green compound and they did it on the MUD tread. They offer it in a tubular and a tubeless setup.

The MUD was the best tire we ever ran around here for cross. I got way better control out of using it as a clincher with tubes than I did out of tubular challenge grifo's back in the day but they only offered it in a 30mm and possibly a 32.

I bought a ton of them this season. Reflecting the typical "cobbler has no shoes" thing this year I approached the first race of the year here and realized I didn't have anything glued up for myself and I wasn't about to race a cross race of wide Panaracer Gravel Kings. So I grabbed a set of Michelin Mud's and set them up tubeless and raced on them. f'n bliss. I was able to run higher pressure and still have grip and hookup. That's important for a fat guy.

I have no desire to run super low on tubeless but these will handle most of our season if we luck out and have a dry year. If we start getting wet like we did a few years back - then no...tubulars and probably PDX all the way.

Also - back during the clement team days I used to watch tread choices. Ben berden would run LAS (file tread) on the rear and PDX on the front. for dry conditions and PDX/PDX for others. Mani would run MXP/PDX in almost all conditions. IIRC Trebon (felt/Cannondale) would run PDX/PDX a whole lot until they switched tires.

Also FWIW - I have a pile of "Pro Team Only" Challenge red wall tires I got off the Cannondale team last year. If anyone wants any - give me a call.