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Well, with the not so wide Zonda wheels a set of Conti 4000s II 700 x 28 clears the front and rear just fine. The Superbe brakes clear just fine too. But when I tested fitted the 8 speed Record brakes the rear was too close for my comfort zone. Front is fine. Now I may be able to get more clearance by where the wheels winds up in the dropouts and with a spacer on the rear brake. Or not run 28's. I just had those easily available to play with today. It looks like the "crap" frame is due in Monday and then I can finally get serious about deciding on these two builds.
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