I don’t ride with the more organized weekly ride groups but maybe this is my year to start. My prob is going with the guys that love doing rides that guys like me do not. I do hills ok but not 60 miles of them on a wednesday morning. The alternative is the “pie riders” that putz their way to the neighboring village 6 miles away. Pie is good but an 12mi ride shouldn’t take 2 hours. See, ain’t I picky?