Originally Posted by big john

Don't have a headlight anymore. Tomorrow I might start from home @7:00 and ride up the hill here which is closed to cars. A lot of the climb is in the shade that early.

Years ago my LBS put on a night ride on dirt roads and we would go over the hills to a pizza place where a guy had parked his motorhome and they had a trailer for the bikes. We would have pizza and pile into the motorhome and he would drive us back to our cars. Good times.