Didn't make it to a bike shop, but tried on the REI brand Junction shorts. XL was a bit big overall, but the bottom of the legs, huge, flopping loose. Weird fit. I think these US oriented brands shift into fat a$$ mode once they get to XL. Tried the medium and too tight. SO ordered the large which should be my size.
I hope they fit because I really liked the Junction shorts. The material is dense and premium feeling, and the chamois dense and not too big or thick. Longish legs and big deep side pockets. And $60 MSRP. My cycle-vanity doesn't like the REI logo, but I'll get over it (or bust out a sharpie
Also tried on Rapha shorts and bibs. Comically huge chamois! Like 4 inches wider than my saddle would be, and wrapping up to almost the tailbone. Felt like a diaper. And a seam sewn right up the middle. Weird. Outside of that fit and materials middling for the price.
Still want to try Assos and the other premium brand mentioned, and need to go past a couple of shops today ....