Clark W. Griswold
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There is no consensus anywhere about anything. I would say breathing could be the closest but plenty of people have hung themselves or enjoy being choked or just don't want to breathe anymore.
I will say things with a Bosch motor or similar motor with good support behind it are the better bangs for bucks as they generally have fewer problems and better support if you do have problems and a good solid warranty.