Thanks for the reply’s. So, for me to be clear. If we use a timeline, 1: pedals clips, straps. 2. Cleats, pedals clips, straps. 3. Regular clip in, pedals. I am trying to understand where the clips bolted to shoes bottoms fit in the picture. Seems to me I might use a flat shoe and the number 1 route.. I am a big Look fan KEO . But I want to try to use vintage set up? Thanks