My Litespeed is a "Team" frame that has the geometry of the Classic, but with bigger tubes -- IT rides as stiff as an OS steel bike. Being a "Team" , it was not built for comfort or to have a magic carpet ride im guessing. That said, - its not bad at all. I'd expect other designs , like the early Litespeed Ultimates and similar are probably similar. However, Merlins and other Litespeeds (The Appalachian pictured in this thread for instance ) look to have different tubing specs and likely would give that lively ride Ti is well known for