Originally Posted by
pdlamb
My low was about 20 gear inches. However, my knees were decades older than 13 years of age when I rode it, I was obese, and my bike plus luggage was pushing 90 pounds. I'd expect a credit card tourer on a road bike would be a third to a half that load, and I hope a young teenager tackling the TransAm isn't as fat as I was.
20 gear inches has been loaded touring canon for many years. I suspect that was because, for 30 years or so, that was the lowest you could go without heroic wrenching. One frequent poster here tours with a 14-16 gear inch low. Should that become the new standard for loaded touring, since it's possible?
With the rise of ultralight touring, bikepacking, and CC touring, it's time for a conversation on what's reasonable/required/recommended gearing for those applications. Do people riding like that have to have 20" low gears? or 16"? Is 20" reasonable for bikepacking because there may be some steep singletrack? On the flip side, does a youngster carrying a 10 pound load on a road bike, riding on paved roads, need to have that kind of gearing to prevent knee injury? I doubt it, but I could be wrong.
what you and Stae bring up are really good ideas.
re total bike weight, absolutely its a factor, but from my life experience riding, even if not carrying stuff or very lightly loaded, having about 20 gear inches is still extremely useful, especially if you are bikepacking on steep stuff---or even take a small dirt back road sometime and you hit a short steep section with loose gravel, that sort of thing.
there clearly is still a view that low gearing has a "wimpy" factor to it (and yes, I know both of you don't say that) but in my opinion, for a vast majority of regular people, having the ability to downshift one or two more gears
when needed is a real real advantage.
Remember too that for many many riders, and especially a 13 year old, the whole mental thing of dealing with long climbs can be very overwhelming and disheartening.
An example, my wife for years had a real mental block with hills, and it was only when I got her a bike that had good low gearing (18g.i. from memory) that she started to get her head around climbing. Yes, she is still a really, really slow climber, so there's a physical thing going on too, but at least now she doesnt get defeated mentally by cliimbs.
re age and whatnot, I've always remarked that Stae is one of those "strong leg" guys, he's a "Classics" (one day pro races, like Paris-Roubaix, etc) kind of body guy. I however have always been a skinny guy, waaaaaaay more so when I was 13.
Heck, I'm over 5'10" and weigh 135, so imagine me at 13 or 14........so all this is to say that having lower gearing for a lot of people will just be easier on their knees and everything.
And sure, if you don't need that first gear, shift up to second, it's that easy.
I figure too that when talking about age, I reckon its even more important to make sure a kid doesnt hurt a knee that could be there for the future. At that age, I hurt my knee downhill skiing, and I'm sure its the reason I've had dodgey knee experiences touring before I figured out lower gearing is better, plus an overall slight dodgey knee thing as I get older and nearly 60.
But of course, every kid is different body type wise, so if possible, this parent should try to do long rides with his son and see how it is---BUT, be aware that an inexperienced rider won't be as aware of stuff, maybe not want to admit its hard, and or will have no idea how he will feel after a long day , day after day, or when tired and hungry, or feeling overwhelmed and tired and hungry.......which brings us right back to the whole topic of there being no downside to lower gearing. If you use it and it helps, great. When you don't need it, shift up. Simple.
and of course leads right back to wanting this to be a good experience, and fun (and good parenting to anticipate this stuff).
And I bring this up often too, but re higher gearing and going "faster", I'll put good money down that loaded or unloaded, on a good twisty or non twisty downhill, I'll beat most of you down the hill even on my bike that in theory can only be pedalled to maybe 25 mph.
good topic though, I hope the dad here takes some of this stuff into consideration, from our touring experiences and as parents taking kids touring.