Originally Posted by
saddlesores
okay.
you want a bike.
you wanna do some touring.
that pretty much tells us nothing.
what type of touring? fully loaded with 4 panniers, guided tours, credit card?
how much gear? camping or hotels? cooking or mcdiners?
what terrain? cruise along the wattenmeer or cycle the grossglockner?
road surface? all paved, dirt trails, icelanic morraine?
infrastructure? a week in surrey or 6 months in lower wakanda?
climate? summertime beach weather or arctic blizzards?
The OP listed 2 bikes they are interested in and said they plan on short-medium tours. They asked for opinions on the 2 mentioned bikes as well as any other bikes. It is fair to assume opinions should be focused on similar style bikes- gravel, steel, mounting points, wide tire clearance.
Either help, or just dont respond. The OP gave plenty of info for me to give a detailed response about both bikes and how they will likely feel and fit when loaded with gear.
Further, your unhelpful questions seem to make it look like one would need multiple bikes to accomplish all the things you mention. A single bike can cruise along some river or climb mountain passes. A single bike can handle a week on developed roads or half a year in an MCU country. A single bike can handle CC tours and fully loaded tours.
What the OP plans for in the immediate doesnt mean they would need to stick to the same style of riding for subsequent tours.
You of course know all this, and yet...