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mstateglfr interesting, it looks like we are proportioned about the same, you are like a bigger version of me xD
Like I said, aesthetics is totally irrelevant to me? Said it again.
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shelbyfv I compared the drop and reach on both those bars and they were within like 2 or 3 mm of each other despite the 30mm rise.
the rise wasn't really all that important for me - I was just looking for a drop and reach at or less than stock (125,80)... I realized that going from 44 to 46cm wouldn't be worth the effort and only settled once I found something that was 48cm. Looks like I actually bought the last pair in that size from the website I found.
I'm looking forward to trying out the 12° sweep! That should feel nice.
Ultimately I'm still looking for a slight upward angle on the stem because this frame has an aggressively low stack. I think those bars will work great for me anyways because they are almost exactly my shoulder width.