Originally Posted by
Sy Reene
And if you have no idea how fast they are? Seems often the case that I'm usually forced to make my way around these guys within the first 1/4 mile after leaving the light.
Lots of variables are involved with the decision to go to the front or not. Sometimes you can get a good idea of the speed of the group from the appearance of the bikes and riders. I'm not going to force my way through if it's a tight fit next to cars who are also stopped. I don't have an issue being patient, and passing later, if that's a better choice.