I had a 6" Harbor Freight vise for years, and beat the living daylights out of it. I pulled it out of the dumpster where I worked, and greased it up and put it to work. Big vise. Cheap, but it also had that "beat on me" vibe and it just didnt give up the ghost. I would press in ball joints and universal joints, and anything else. Gave it to my son in law, and he's still using it. My Starrett was a windfall. It was given to me by someone whom I did some freebee bike work a few years ago. He got it from cleaning out a closed-down wood paneling business down in Massghanistan.