I made a stem change and seat reposition on the new bike last night. I am putting too much pressure on my hands. So I went to a 100mm stem from 110mm. And moved the seat back over an inch, it was too far forward by .5 an inch to begin with. The geometry on this bike is quite different compared to the other bikes. This should get me closer to a standard fit over the b.b. Being to far forward would also explain the bit of knee pain I get on that bike too. We will see tomorrow.