I was skeptical of 3/4 knickers and for years avoided them. Then three years ago I was speaking with a friend who swore by them. Said knickers were much more comfortable than puling on knee warmers. So I figured what the heck and I bought a pair. I am now three pairs in and think they are the best thing since pre-sliced bagels. Bib 3/4 knickers are awesome for fall weather riding. At least in my neck of the woods.