Originally Posted by
5colellla
if it old and you like then is it’s C&V
I think the main dispute is what counts as old. Some of the tech some consider newfangled is at least two decades old now. I think there is a strong demarcation between what is considered a conventional road bike these days and what that was even two decades ago.
Here's a video depicting a Gilco tubed Colnago equipped with Shimano STI:
I certainly think the paint is loud, and I don't have much fondness for straight bladed forks, but it certainly predates the watershed that I take as the distinction between vintage and modern.
I think it's the rise of a brutalist aesthetic complete with loud downtube branding, the increase in complexity and cost, and the tendency of more and more parts to have shorter lifespans (e.g. design strictly for weight savings at the expense of durability), that are my turn-offs in regards to the current road bike.