I agree and that was my thinking, but to make this work I needed to find an exceptionally low stack saddle, low stack seatpost, use 165 crank arms and have 0 adjustability. This frame has an extended seatpost tube well above the top tube so the lowest you can put the seat is higher up than on traditional vintage road frames of the same size I was used to riding. Thanks for the input and I agree, stand over isn't important unless mountain biking maybe with a high chance of bouncing off.