And there is the french fit option. I'm a short guy and it is hard to find nice vintage bikes in small sizes What's a good rule of thumb for a french fit as far as seat height, I read some where in the earlier posts, 1 hand or a fist (4-5 in) above the top tube may be ok. I think more clearance on stand over is more for a mountain bike fit.
French fit discussion in link below:
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...rench-fit.html