Originally Posted by cyccommute

Constantly called an idiot pales in comparison to calling out a typo.

As for reading comprehension…well, people in glass houses. Do you agree with the wheel manufacturer or not?

What percentage change is “significant” and what is “negligible” for you? Using a non disc hub, going from a 130mm hub to a 135mm hub (Deore FH-510 135mm no disc hub) gives the same tension differential as the 142mm disc hub does. Back when 130mm hubs were the standard, off-center drilling didn’t exist. The reason for going to 135mm hubs was to make for a stronger wheel. Some people…including wheel manufacturers…thought that the “negligible” improvement was worth the changes needed.

And… It all depends on what is considered “negligible”. An 8% improvement results in fewer broken spokes because the wheel is stronger laterally.

Again, I have nothing wrong with using off-set rims. They are a good idea. But if you use them in the 130mm hub wheel build, why not use them in the 135mm and 142mm wheel build. You get an even greater improvement there…to 71% in both cases.



Shimano does have a 135mm model in their mountain lineup which is equivalent to the 105 model with a 1mm difference in one of the flanges which won’t make that much of a difference. The 142mm hub isn’t really a valid comparison since it has to make room for the disc rotor on the left. If you run the numbers on, the 135mm Deore hub has the tension differential is 57% compared to the 142mm hub due to the narrowing of the flanges to make room for that rotor. If you use an off-center rim, the tension differential is smaller still

You are, yet again, dragging the conversation off into the weeds. I did not say anything about using an off-set rim. If you make a fair comparison with the same rim, the 130mm hub makes for a weaker wheel because of the narrower hub. If you want to compare off-set rims, compare them on all the hubs. Make an apples-to-apples comparison, not a cheese-to-chalk one.

And that is not the discussion here. Can’t wait to see how you make me out to be an idiot on that one.

Do you agree on what the wheel manufacturer says or not?