Have not tried either of those! The neutrogena ultra sheer and it’s generic CVS version have been my usual goop, and it’s great on non-face skin but not on my face. I’ll try those two— for long rides I don’t mind just using the fancy face stuff for everything. (Especially since whenever I can I ride in ultralight long sleeves and knickers so I’m mostly putting it on my face, neck, and shins.)